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Marvel Says "Doctor Strange" May Use Science Instead of Magic

Posted: March 13th, 2014 by WorstPreviews.com Staff
Marvel Says "Doctor Strange" May Use Science Instead of MagicSubmit Comment
During the press conference for "Captain America: The Winter Soldier," Marvel head Kevin Feige was asked about how the company is planning to use "Doctor Strange" to introduce magic and wizardry into the cinematic universe.

"Are you watching the 'Cosmos' series? That's magic, [the quantum physics]. It's unbelievable," he said. "If somebody knew how to tap into that stuff, what's the difference between that and magic? You don't get into it in 'Harry Potter,' but if a scientist went to Hogwarts he'd find out how some of that stuff is happening."

Feige continued: "We're not going to spend a lot of time on that, but there will be some of that. And particularly for a character like Strange, who goes from a man of science to a man of faith and who traverses both worlds. And sometimes there won't be an answer. Sometimes he'll want an answer - 'How is this happening?!' - and nothing."

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minkowski writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 6:51:34 PM

What I took away from this article: Feige doesn't know d*ck about quantum mechanics, and he doesn't know what the hell the actual writers are going to do with respect to Dr. Strange's ab initio character development.


Having said that, making Strange a follower of science would make the MCU more cohesive, but it also limits what can be introduced later.
Cannon writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 7:28:13 PM


It's just a question of degree. Delving the character into a kind of metaphysical science might help prevent his magical powers from becoming too arbitrary.

But if they take it to the point of science in relation to technology, essentially, that character already exists: his name is Tony Stark.
minkowski writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 7:32:27 PM

"Metaphysical science" is metaphysics, and metaphysics is a branch of philosophy. So you want Strange to become a philosopher?

Outside that definition, there's no such thing as "metaphysical science". It's either actual science or it's bullsh*t.

Just saying, bro.
Cannon writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 7:39:06 PM


That's fine, but in a comic book fantasy film they can have the character study and use magic in a more overt kind of pseudoscience fashion, leaning in direction towards, say, Ghostbusters (though minus the high-tech stuff) as opposed to the more traditional approach where magic is treated solely as a spiritual force.

Stapes writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 7:40:12 PM

So this what happens when you educate an idiot.
minkowski writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 7:45:24 PM

I didn't feel that the Ghostbusters themselves were operating within a superstitious realm.

I felt they were using stylized science to combat what was clearly an overt, spiritual set of forces, but they were clearly using Hollywood science to do it, even going so far as having Egon explain that the power packs where miniature particle accelerators.
minkowski writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 7:46:04 PM

*were.
Cannon writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 7:54:30 PM


Okay, so they could likewise have Strange use a form of stylized science, or the posturing of science (again, pseudoscience), to likewise battle evil forces. Only instead of straight tech-gear, his methods could stem from ESP or something, or maybe take the Prestige rout by presenting him as a kind of modern day version of Tesla; specifically, the more urban mythic aspects of Tesla.

minkowski writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 7:55:40 PM

I just don't get Feige's explanation.

Firstly, quantum mechanics is a poor explanation of Strange's power via science, and it relies on the audience's gross ignorance of the subject and their belief anything within the quantum realm is "magic" instead of actual science.

Secondly, if they want to say Strange's "magical" powers are derived from some kind of esoteric science then they have to resign the audience to a schism between Strange's previous character development as a wizard and the fact his science looks nothing at all like Stark's, which is already vastly fantastical.

Does Strange harken from the future, or is he still a wizard? Do his powers exceed those of Stark's, as both are derived from the fount of science and if so, why hasn't Tony used them to build "magical" Iron Man suits?

The whole thing doesn't make sense. Just make the character magical and let the audience not give a sh*t.

Besides, Thor is already an non-scientific ethereal being, because regardless of what Marvel claims, his damned hammer Mjolnir and abilities aren't derived from any science anyone can imagine, Arthur C. Clarke's cliched aphorism aside.



It's getting really deep now, with both DC and Marvel trying to leverage the audience's ignorance and gullibility in favor of a deeper play for theatrical realism, even though the films they push are about as infantile and fantastical and anything Dr. Seuss ever wrote.
minkowski writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 7:59:52 PM

@Cannon: fine, Tesla would be good, and they could even write it so that Strange is the man himself, or someone just like him, and I wouldn't have much of an issue with that conceptualization, but Feige's attitude seems to indicate he wants to use "quantum mechanics" as an expository domain from which Strange's magical abilities can be illuminated and explained, and that just smacks of stupid.

Either make him magical and be done with it, or make him a man of science warped by the legitimate and natural powers he commands. One or the other, because a hybrid of the two is going look downright dumb and invariable result in a lopsided development of his character.
nowtheresabatman writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 8:09:00 PM

wut da f*ck is all this talk about and wut da f*ck is that stapes fool jabbering about now. damned fool dont even make any sense
minkowski writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 8:14:22 PM

"If somebody knew how to tap into that stuff, what's the difference between that and magic? You don't get into it in 'Harry Potter,' but if a scientist went to Hogwarts he'd find out how some of that stuff is happening."


Why doesn't Hogwarts have science and how did they build giant castles without it? How can you have magic and no science? How can you have a coherent existence in which intelligent life exists and yet not have the science that makes such things possible?


Please stop rationalizing juvenile bullsh*t, Feige, because it makes you look far, far dumber than Lucas trying to "explain" the supernatural Force with his insipid and "scientific" midichlorians.
Cannon writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 8:22:32 PM


Whether or not the content has any rational grounding isn't my issue. For me, it's just how the Strange comes off up on the screen in terms of style and mannerism. If he behaves less like a "chanting believer" and more like some quirky professor-of-the-esoteric type, it might help make him more accessible as a character. Because, as a character, he's not Thor. He's not some Vikingesque god from another universe, but just a very human medical surgeon who discovered metaphysical forces.

One of the problems I always had with Thor, both on screen and from the comics, is that he can do just about anything to ridiculous degrees. Presenting Strange with powers limited to pseudoscientific rules (no matter how contrived from nonsense they may be) helps challenge the character a bit more, and thus making him more interesting in action.

Feige can go on talking emptily about quantum physics all he likes. As long as its more of an inspiration for the character instead of an attempt for some scientific credibility, I'm fine with it.
minkowski writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 8:56:29 PM

People don't seem to have a problem with chant-uttering sorcerical characterizations, Cannon, judging from the enormous money Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings made.



"One of the problems I always had with Thor, both on screen and from the comics, is that he can do just about anything to ridiculous degrees."


Thor is pretty much Marvel's Superman, so much that in the DC/Marvel crossover, Thor was explicitly paired up with Superman, IIRC.

Both wear a cape, both inexplicably fly without any aid whatsoever, both are virtually invincible, and both hail from another super-scientific realm. The only difference, superficially anyway, is that Thor wields a hammer, but he doesn't really need it, and in my opinion it merely interferes with his character. On other other hand, if you remove Mjolnir, Thor's reduced to little more than Supes in quasi-Viking garb.

In either case, I prefer Batman, as far as comic book character go, because he's human. He doesn't magically fly, he doesn't rely on "magic" or superstitious. He's an angry, dark cross between Inspector Gadget on steroids and a Sherlock Holmes with a super-mean punch.

Superman just radiates absurdity, and so does Thor, which is why, if they're going to the scientific route for explaining Strange's powers, they should go full bore, not half-assed hybrid by saying he derives his exotic abilities from quantum mechanics, or whatever other scientific fields of which Feige is wholly ignorant.
minkowski writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 8:58:48 PM

+Regardless, +the, -in either case, -other

Really need to proofread more and hurry less, not that it matters.
minkowski writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 9:07:25 PM

And others.
CelluloidMan writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 9:28:55 PM

Quantum Physics?! What?!

They should just just copy Reeve's body markings using mysticism in a cool sirly way as in Constantine...

What's so hard about that?!
boogiel writes:
on March 13th, 2014 at 11:23:32 PM

Marvel needs to let magic be magic and stop trying so hard to explain it.
That's how Harry Potter became a huge success.
BlackDynamite writes:
on March 14th, 2014 at 5:20:28 AM

I would imagine they'd handle magic in Doctor Strange much like they did with Thor, in that its the idea that it is a science, just so far advanced from what is currently possible with normal humans that it appears as magic.

BlackDynamite writes:
on March 14th, 2014 at 5:23:28 AM

@Mink: Thor flies with the aid of his hammer, which, in the comics, classically manipulated wind to propel Thor through the air, which is a big reason why he swings his hammer before flying, and why he typically flies in linear paths.
lawman writes:
on March 14th, 2014 at 10:26:35 AM

Mink,

Let me enlighten you on quantum mechanics.

I have NO f*cking idea what quantum mechanics is!

That is all!
minkowski writes:
on March 14th, 2014 at 4:59:11 PM

@Lawman: lol

@BD: So the hammer magically flies, but Thor doesn't? Isn't that, like, you know, much worse, since how can a little tool not just levitate but fly? It is made of unobtanium?

There's science, and then there's magic. Marvel needs to do one or the other and not try to meld them together into something even more confusing to American audiences.

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