"Daredevil" Remake Gets New Writer and Storyline

So, basically where Johnson's first left off.

Wonder how the new casting is gonna go...

Just give the project to some other studio besides FOX, they can't make a damned thing right, really.

They need the right people for this because its a well told story arc
I feel bad cuz i know its gonna blow
Damn shame

A sequel/reboot, who woulda thought it??

i think i read that comic,it was pretty good from what i remember cuz it was a while ago

Why do all these directors and writers always forget that he is an attorney during the day? Any director worth his buck would take great advantage of that angle and mix a little courtroom suspense and drama to the mix. Show us how clever and dangerous the character's mind can be. Its the only way they can transcend the typical comic book film genre and make something people will praise. Maybe Daredevil can beat the sh*t out of the bad guys at night while gathering evidence. Then get the f*cker convicted the next morning in court. Or something like that, fill in the blanks.

Um didn't they touch on that in the first one?

Daredevil's one of those characters where his day job is moreso filler just to qualify him as a hero. In fact, every Marvel character is. They've always been pro-powered, some lacking normal identities all together. Since the norms are largely discriminatory or sheepish in need of rescue.

At least DC has good ideas for their norms.
OCD Passionate drive to protect where the law falls short? Billion dollar corporation to enable obsessive demands to build a legend.

Overwhelmingly endowed sense of selfless protection? Journalist to stay on top of bludgeoning, horrific news to quell danger immediately.

But Marvel?
Confusion with responsibility? Photographer for a Newspaper.

Dissipating arrogance for wisdom? Handicapped doctor.

While thinking about it, many Marvel characters stray away from needing a secret identity.

DC just makes better use of it. Idk if it's a literary bout between Optimization v. Spontaneity of Life but Marvel's always made double lives seem pointless IMO. I know there are logistical errs in HOW DC thinly veils a number of their characters, but there is at least the attempt to keep balance.

All of that & this btw. ^
@ Avirex

I know you didn't mention DC at all, but I can rarely suppress comparing the two. I like both. The point is, being an attorney just doesn't seem like an effective story angle. For Daredevil to pass judgement on someone who doesn't get legally incriminated makes his secret identity nothing more than time-killing. Real villains don't stand trial. Looking for them in a courtroom just feels like filler. Or they give you grunt hunts to let a character flex his stuff.

@Detrimental

Well, lets think of it a different way since DC is being mentioned. In the 'Dark Knight' Harvey Dent represented the pursuit for justice legally within the courtroom by targeting crime syndicates without mercy or fear. Meanwhile, during certain obstacles like extradition of Lau from China being unfeasible by legal means, Batman steps in to fill the gap. Each element on both sides of the law in this scenario required the unofficial partnership of the other to complete a task. The happenings inside the court and out were equally pivotal. Daredevil as a character represents this dynamic all in one. The fact that one man, a blind man at that, is able to effectively encompass both these facets makes for a potentially gripping story when executed properly.

@mink
In all fairness...FOX did give us X2. LOL

Will "Kingpin" be white?

"effectively encompass both"

That's what I'm arguing against. It was separated by roles between Batman and Dent that made it worthwhile, two characters with two separate means coinciding towards a joint goal, detaining Lau. If Harvey Dent was never in the story, say the role of attorney was utterly downplayed, Batman would have still been aware of the facts: Lau's in China, China won't play friendly, Batman ventures to China & picks him up anyway.

That entire chunk of story could've been played through a chat with Gordon about needing Lau in Gotham, a Newspaper headline, maybe some GCN footage, or even just a tweet. But the story saw fit to give Dent some airtime just to work a different angle to the overall narrative, not an essential asset to its plot.

But looking at it from a different POV, Two-Face is built synonymous from his attorney persona. They even had a scene in the Batman: TAS where Dent spent 20 seconds claiming the same role as this one: "If someone catches the guy, I'll put him away"

Charismatic, inspiring, manipulative knowledge of law & political science? Psychotic underground gangster prone to uprising criminal activities to threaten an entire city.

Even DC's bad guy follows their formula, hinging a character's identities together from the same roots despite what radical change or empowerment may cause the birth of an alter ego.

In the same position, I can't see an attorney's case being built up through his vigilante escapades.

Like, I understand your point whole-heartily. It just seems a little too optimistic to expect Marvel characters to actually rely on both of their identities. They've always had their characters written as being unable to maintain that balance. It's probably how they view realism I guess.

It all breaks into this:

In DC, you get what you work towards albeit good or bad, just try to hang in there.

In Marvel, everything you do works against you, something's gotta give so focus on what you can do the best.

@Detrimental

Yes your right any number of characters in any given film can be replaced switched around or otherwise removed from a specific scene through countless different manners. I mentioned that particular instance in 'Dark Knight' only as an example but not as the sole purpose behind the character's existence. It depends on the context and effectiveness of the character's place in the story. Obviously if Daredevil's duality is handled poorly it would make his other life as an attorney seem utterly pointless and unneeded. Vice versa, if handled in the most effective manner possible it can be made to appear there is no other way for a specific task to be accomplished than by embracing this mantle.

Point is, I don't believe either of us is essentially wrong because we can offer valid points of view for each side all day. I suppose what I'm really getting at is that the common assembly line formula for these films in the last few years should be approached differently. Simply having another straightforward path of a costumed hero kick everyone's ass to get revenge is becoming redundant. They don't really display any particular set of wits about them outside the costume very well. We're just told they are 'super smart' without much reason why that is. Spider-Man is a genius, Tony Stark is a genius, Bruce Banner, etc. A courtroom is a perfectly fitting place to have a character reveal his intellectual merit in a way that amuses the audience. The mental gymnastics that must be played within a court is not for the average joe.

Though obviously I will concede that the audience would grow 'bored' if overdone or done in a way that does not engage the audience. That's why you need talents who can deliver.

"In the same position, I can't see an attorney's case being built up through his vigilante escapades."

Daredevil's function does not necessarily have to be relegated to the exclusive duty of building evidence at night in the streets. It depends which character direction best fits the story. There may be other ideas.

There's any manner of ways to have the character accomplish tasks through his true identity. Perhaps ala 'Dark Knight Rises' Daredevil goes 'missing' for any number of reasons and the attorney role comes into play for a short time. Maybe Daredevil is framed for killing a child and he has to clear his own name? Or maybe he simply uses the courtroom as a public arena to inspire the people into some form of change, action or whatever the desired effect. Who knows...

Being both identities obviously involves great difficulty or there wouldn't be any drama but the mere fact that it's so incredibly challenging to be great at both is part of what makes it interesting. That's why he's a superhero. The fact that it may seem hopeless could work for the story because it enables struggle. Sure he's blind but technically he sees better than most so that doesn't really make him vulnerable to us. Complete failure of either identity does not have to be a requisite. Just certain compromises to show us how he deals with an uneasy balancing act like Batman, Clark Kent, etc.

Who gives a f*ck why would u even reboot this its f*cking stupid

Give the rights of Daredevil to Marvel then the fans have a good reboot.

Not to troll, but I was compelled to say something before my Krispy Kreme high dissipated.

"Why do all these directors and writers always forget that he is an attorney during the day? Any director worth his buck would take great advantage of that angle and mix a little courtroom suspense and drama to the mix."

Probably because a) most lawyers are villains, and b) no one, save the Law and Order crowd, which excludes the 18-45 demographic, gives two fists of a f*ck about courtroom drama.

"Show us how clever and dangerous the character's mind can be."

By standing in the courtroom eyeballing some two-bit thug? Are you sure you're not just taking notes from what Nolan did in TDK with Harvey Dent, which actually sucked, Eckhart's performace included?

"Its the only way they can transcend the typical comic book film genre and make something people will praise."

Because thumping around in a skin tight costume, wielding weapons and riding cool vehicles while battling the city's worst super-villains is mere hum drum melodrama?

I'm...perplexed.

"Maybe Daredevil can beat the sh*t out of the bad guys at night while gathering evidence."

It's a comic book action movie, not A Civil Action. No one cares if Daredevil collects evidence or presents briefs or orders in the court, they just want him to beat the f*ck out of the bad guys, no more than they want Clark Kent to actually spend time writing an actual story for the Daily Globe.

Yeah, sure, you can throw a tiny bit of that in there to develop the character, but the audience is going to get pissed if you spend too much time on legalese unless it tightly, very tightly, integrates with the film's raison d'etre.

"Then get the f*cker convicted the next morning in court. Or something like that, fill in the blanks."

Again, imo, it's a comic book movie, a genre more often than not, unless directed by Singer, known for their action.

If you want convictions and courtroom melodrama, stick to CSI or something.

their=its.

"I know you didn't mention DC at all, but I can rarely suppress comparing the two. I like both. The point is, being an attorney just doesn't seem like an effective story angle. For Daredevil to pass judgement on someone who doesn't get legally incriminated makes his secret identity nothing more than time-killing. Real villains don't stand trial. Looking for them in a courtroom just feels like filler. Or they give you grunt hunts to let a character flex his stuff."

Pretty much spot on.

@ Avirex,

Agreeing to disagree then?

I stand by my notion of Marvel characters typically having useless day jobs whereas DC characters make a the best use of them.

Daredevil's case specifically, I'm pretty sure it's nerd law that super heroes cannot fend well when mixing with the justice system. I think it's safe to say that is a cardinal rule on earth. Even if it's a situation of clearing one's name, the natural order of things says superheroes are just as dangerous as a villains.

And the stuff Mink said lol. ^

Tried to avoid the fanbase reaction to unnecessary storytelling but it definitely wouldn't stand for courtroom suspense.

Just ask yourself, with your fond impression of everything that Daredevil is with the mask on, does he really seem to have a need to ever take it off?

Batman needs Bruce Wayne money, corporate expansion, and freedom of time.
Superman needs Clark Kent's closeness to the news, and accessibility to free time & to get some Lois tail.

Daredevil in the courtroom? Eh.

It's still gonna be sh*t