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Judge Rules Penniless "Ghost Rider" Creator Owes Marvel $17,000

Posted: February 10th, 2012 by WorstPreviews.com Staff
Judge Rules Penniless "Ghost Rider" Creator Owes Marvel $17,000Submit Comment
Gary Friedrich, the creator of Ghost Rider, recently sued Marvel, claiming that the company owes his money for using the character in movies. A judge ended up ruling that Marvel owes him nothing and that it's Friedrich who owes the company $17,000 for selling prints of Ghost Rider at conventions.

The problem is that Friedrich is completely broke. And that $17,000 that he earned selling prints was his income over a period of many years. Marvel, meanwhile, is demanding immediate payment.

Friedrich is also not allowed to say that he's the creator of Ghost Rider. In other words, if this comes up during an interview, he has to say that he did NOT create the character or he'll get into serious legal trouble.

Source: BleedingCool, Blastr


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minkowski writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 9:22:15 PM

Well, the guy was trying to cash in on Marvel's film franchise, because he hadn't asked for a damned thing until about 2007 or so and DD has been out how long?

On the other hand, who created what is in great dispute, and Marvel should have been the bigger person in the dispute by allowing Friedrich to walk away clean and clear, but that's not the American thing to do, so greed triumphs again, and all over the sh*ttiest Marvel character in existence.
minkowski writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 9:27:32 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Rider_%28comics%29#Origins
boogiel writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 9:41:55 PM

"so greed triumphs again, and all over the sh*ttiest Marvel character in existence. "


You nailed it, mink. Good job.
Sinestro writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 9:42:51 PM

Friedrich and Thomas worked on the character before he was re-introduced as the motorcycle riding hell-spawn we are familiar with. And that old character (the one from the Westerns dressed all in white) is partially based off something else.

Looks like the old man was trying to make a buck, and it's tough to blame him given how little credit old creators get. The saddest thing of all is to see Marvel trying to enforce this 17,000 dollar penalty from a dude, who by all accounts, is bankrupt. There's no principle in that. Maybe they are trying to deter anyone else from trying to claim ownership of their established trademarks. But this is a bit too much.
bandolero999 writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 9:44:22 PM

The sh*ttiest character is cyclops
minkowski writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 9:56:37 PM

No, he just smells like sh*t because he always has his nose up Jean Greys ass. p*ssy.
minkowski writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 9:57:35 PM

"You nailed it, mink. Good job."

ˇMuchas Gracias, Seńor!
BadChadB33 writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 10:08:39 PM

Mink wins this thread.
bandolero999 writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 10:20:13 PM

Then that means her p*ssy has yeast infection.

Her snatch is supposed to be edible.
bandolero999 writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 10:21:42 PM

Ranger will clean her sh*t with his tongue
markoz writes:
on February 10th, 2012 at 11:56:33 PM

Just typical Marvel. Jack Kirby, anyone?
Ranger writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 12:11:25 AM

@band - damn straight!

This guy... we'll assume by the way this went for him in court that he was either under Marvel's employ when he created Ghost Rider or he was under contract to create a character for Marvel with the intellectual property to be owned by Marvel in exchange for pay to this guy.

Art Frye created the 3M Sticky Note. Didn't make a penny from it other than his regular salary while working for the company that hired him to create it.

@mink - Marvel isn't the greedy on here my good man. You has spoken many times here about the greed of Americans. The greed would come from EVERY, SINGLE, NOOK and CRANNY, if Marvel DIDN'T punish this guy. Every creep out there would come out saying they created something for Marvel and Marvel would have to spend all their time in court. No, someone (greedy) makes an illegitimate claim like this... they should get stomped like the gold-digging roach they are.
encoreyourface writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 12:20:50 AM

feel bad for the guy, but maybe instead of trying to make a quick buck he should have you know, gotten a job.
velocityknown writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 12:55:26 AM

1) It's ridiculous that we're sitting around hating on Marvel for this guy being broke. They didn't make him spend his money irresponsibly, they employed this guy for years, where's his savings?

2) I like how the WP article neglects to mention that the reason the judge ruled against Friedrich is because he was already paid for creating Ghost Rider while he was an employee of Marvel. It was, ya know, his job to create characters and he did that and he got paid for it and when he got paid for it, he relinquished ownership to Marvel. Happens in a lot of instances, this is just one of those guys who refuses to live with the mistake he made.
pornfly writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 3:34:56 AM

I CREATED SHE-HULK AND ELEKTRA ! !
buttsack writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 5:39:48 AM

HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU RANGER BUT MINK'S RIGHT.

TAKE STEVE WOZNIAK FOR INSTANCE. THE RULES OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY APPLIED TO HIM WHEN HE WAS WORKING FOR HEWLETT-PACKARD AND CREATED THE PERSONAL COMPUTER. BUT HEWLETT-PACKARD DECLINED TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE PRODUCTS HE AND STEVE JOBS HAD DEVELOPED TOGETHER AS THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE INSIGNIFICANT.

THAT sh*t LED TO ALL OF APPLE'S SUCCESS. SUCCESS APPLE ACHIEVED SOLELY BECAUSE JOBS AND WOZNIAK WERE EXTREMELY LUCKY. THEY WERE RANDOMLY SPARED THE HUMILIATION OF HAVING THEIR IDEAS COMMANDEERED BY A BUREAUCRATIC INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH HAD ABSOLUTELY NO VESTED INTEREST IN FAIRNESS OR INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY THE EVERY-DAY TECHNICIANS WORKING IN THEIR GIANT IDEA FARM WHO HAD BEEN (REALISTICALLY SPEAKING) FORCED TO SIGN A CONTRACT WHICH STIPULATED THAT THEIR IDEAS WERE ACTUALLY HEWLETT PACKARD'S IDEAS (EVEN THOUGH STEVE JOBS DIDN’T EVEN f*ckING WORK FOR THEM). CORPORATIONS CLASSICALLY RELY ON REACTIONARY LOYALTY TO CONCEPTS THAT ARE DEVELOPED BY SENIOR MEMBERS OF THE EXISTING CORPORATE CONTROL CARTEL (THE “SHOT-CALLERS,” AS YOU MIGHT SAY IN THE PRISONYARD) AND SINCE STEVE WAS A LOWLY GUY WORKING OUTSIDE THAT CONTROLLING INTEREST HE MANAGED TO DODGE THE BULLET JUST BECAUSE HE HAD NOT BEEN INVITED INTO IT AND THEY HAD NO RESPECT FOR HIM. IF HEWLETT-PACKARD HAD CHOSEN TO OPTION THE P.C. IDEA THEY WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY ABSORBED ALL THE PROFIT AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE APPLE AS WE KNOW IT TODAY. NOT THAT I LOVE STEVE JOBS (*HE WAS A d*ck) OR APPLE (THEY'RE d*ckS JUDGING BY THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE) BUT HE AND WOZNIAK PROBABLY EARNED THE RIGHT TO KEEP THEIR IDEA AND THEIR SELF-RESPECT SINCE THEY DID ALL THE GROUNDWORK FOR IT UPFRONT AND THEY ALSO HAVE PROVED THAT THEY DESERVED THE RIGHT TO CONTROL THAT INITIAL DEVELOPMENT BY BEING SUPER-SUCCESSFUL WHILE LORDING OVER IT FOR YEARS.

STILL, APPLE HAS JUST BECOME A NEW I.B.M. OR H.P., BUT THE PROOF IS IN THE f*ckING PUDDING: CORPORATIONS DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO sh*t AS THEY (GENERALLY SPEAKING AND EXCLUDING BEN AND JERRY’S) DON’T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT PROFIT AND THEY’RE WILLING (GENERALLY SPEAKING) TO GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO DISENFRANCHISE AND f*ck PERSONS WHO DO HAVE LEGITIMATE CLAIMS TO RECOGNITION, RESPECT, AND PERSONAL MONETARY GAIN FOR THEIR INVENTIONS.

AT THE LEAST THIS PROVES THAT THE SYSTEM IN WHICH COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONALS WORK (WHICH IS INCORRECTLY AND IRONICALLY REFERRED TO AS THE "FREE MARKET") IS AT BEST FLAWED AND AT WORST DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO ENSURE THAT ESTABLISHED MARKET FORCES MAINTAIN AND EXPAND THEIR POWER AT THE EXPENSE OF ANY AND ALL OTHER FORCES (WATCH COPPOLA’S TUCKER: A MAN AND HIS DREAMS FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH I’VE f*ckING NEVER SEEN).

FORBES JUST PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE 5-HOUR ENERGY GUY, A HALF-MONK HALF-MAN WHO HAS ENGAGED IN THE SYSTEMATIC LEGAL INTIMIDATION AND DISSOLUTION OF ALL OF HIS COMPETITORS. TELL ME, DID THAT GUY HAVE A RIGHT TO DESTROY EVERYBODY ELSE WHO HAD A RECIPE FOR ENERGY "SHOTS" JUST BECAUSE HE WAS SITTING ATOP THE DRUG-DEALING HEAP ALREADY?

DID STEVE JOBS REALLY INVENT ANYTHING BY CREATING THE IPHONE (WHICH IS EQUAL PARTS PREVIOUSLY INVENTED COMPUTER, P.D.A. AND PHONE) AND DID HE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUTT-f*ck EVERYONE ELSE WHO DESIGNED IPHONE RIP-OFFS IN COURT?

ANSWERS TO ALL: NOT REALLY, CAUSE IT'S DUMB.

AND SHOULD MARVEL HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT ONLY IGNORE AN ARTIST WHO CREATED A SUCCESSFULLY FRANCHISED CHARACTER BUT JEOPARDIZE HIS ENTIRE LIFE BY ASKING FOR RESOURCES HE DOES NOT HAVE IN AN ACT OF IMPRESSIVE f*ckING CRUELTY?

ANSWER: PROBABLY FLIPPING NOT

THINK OF WHAT JESUS WOULD WANT RANGER.

JUDGING BY YOUR CONSERVATIVE SOUNDING SPEECHIFYING I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT YOU HAVE A DEEP-SEATED JESUS COMPLEX (AND PROBABLY A HEALTHY FEAR OF DEMONIC POSSESSION TOO).

WWJD?

HE PROBABLY WOULDN’T SUE ANYBODY.

THAT’S FOR DAMN SURE.

AND HE’D PROBABLY THROW A BONE TO THE DUDE WHO DESIGNED GHOST RIDER IF HE RAN MARVEL.

OR AT LEAST NOT SUE HIS OLD WHITE BUTT OUT OF EXISTENCE.

WELCOME TO THE WAR, DIP-sh*t. GLAD TO SEE YOU’VE PICKED THE SIDE THAT WOULDN’T PISS ON YOU TO PUT OUT A FIRE.

MARVEL’S STOCKHOLDERS WOULDN’T HESITATE TO f*ckING KILL YOU IF IT MEANT THEY’D GET 50 DOLLARS THAT THEY COULD SPEND PROMOTING THOR 2 (MONEY THAT MIGHT GO TO AN ASIAN LADY PAID TO WAX NATALIE PORTMAN'S MUSTACHE THE DAY SHE HAS TO GO ON LENO).

SEE YOU IN HELL.
ectoBiologist writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 8:05:08 AM

@buttsack

All caps, and your name is buttsack. Also, that is just way too god damn long of a post. Learn some self control.
minkowski writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 11:27:36 AM

I can tell Ranger didn't bother to read the Wiki link wherein it discusses the ambiguous nature of Friedrich's claim.

Had he, he would have realized quite simply that Friedrich isn't just any old nut coming out of a crook or cranny, but one of the guys with a potentially legitimate claim to the IP of Daredevil.

What caused him to lose? Probably the fact he didn't have pockets anywhere nearly as deep as Marvel, who can essentially buy 'justice' because they have the nearly limitless financial reserves.

Friedrich, on the other hand, didn't have a shoe to piss in.
minkowski writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 12:06:30 PM

I apologize. I was wrong. I said he didn't have a shoe to piss in, when I meant to say he doesn't have a shoe to piss in.
minkowski writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 2:20:36 PM

"@mink - Marvel isn't the greedy on here my good man. You has spoken many times here about the greed of Americans. The greed would come from EVERY, SINGLE, NOOK and CRANNY, if Marvel DIDN'T punish this guy. Every creep out there would come out saying they created something for Marvel and Marvel would have to spend all their time in court. No, someone (greedy) makes an illegitimate claim like this... they should get stomped like the gold-digging roach they are"

I would agree, Ranger, if this Friedrich guy was just some *sshole nobody crank, but he DOES have something of claim to the creation of that sh*tty character Ghost Rider, so Marvel stomping on him, by making him pay a large settlement he clearly does not have, isn't right, or kind, or fair.

In fact it's downright ugly, and considering he worked for them, it's a sh*tty way for them to treat an ex-employee.
Ranger writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 2:54:31 PM

@mink - you're right... didn't read the Wiki link (yet). Thx. for the kind response.

@Butt - all caps? I'll get to reading more when I'm back in today.

And Marvel having deeper pockets shouldn't have a say in the outcome, but unfortunately it does (and always has). I agree mink.
minkowski writes:
on February 11th, 2012 at 11:15:09 PM

"Thx. for the kind response."

You're too kind!

*ahem*
CelluloidMan writes:
on February 12th, 2012 at 2:09:24 AM

F*ck with Marvel, & you get the adamantium claws...

I'm surprised they didn't counter sue the poor guy for delaying the filming production of THE WOLVERINE.
CelluloidMan writes:
on February 12th, 2012 at 4:51:32 AM

Hold up..

Correction: not THE WOLVERINE, I meant GHOSTRIDER: SPIRIT OF VENGEANCE.

Carry on.
rabid writes:
on February 12th, 2012 at 11:30:11 AM

Wow, it's so easy to take the side of David versus the side of Goliath, eh?
You people are missing out on two facts:
~Friedrich illegally printed someone else's Ghost Rider art and sold his autograph on them to the tune of $17,000. That money is to be split between Marvel (who spent hundreds of thousands on lawyers when Friedrich sued them) and the artist he ripped off.

~FRIEDRICH DID NOT CREATE GHOST RIDER. By the time Friedrich made it to Marvel, Ghost Rider had already existed in the comics for 18 years. The company that owned the character folded and Marvel swiped their copyright when it expired. That's when Friedrich got his hands on it. It was an exact copy of the classic Ghost Rider, but it didn't sell well... so two years later, the story jumps forward a hundred years, and GR's horse becomes a motorcycle.
The only thing Friedrich came up with was a plot for a sequel.
minkowski writes:
on February 12th, 2012 at 11:47:10 PM

Great, Rabid, thanks for doing the three hours of research concerning an issue I really couldn't give two shakes of Ranger's d*ck over.

"so two years later, the story jumps forward a hundred years, and GR's horse becomes a motorcycle."

That and the costume, which Friedrich claims he created.

Who knows, who cares, I know seventeen grand is nothing to Marvel and this mysterious artist (Ploog?), and I know he and Marvel tied up the courts and cost the judicial system a sh*tload of money when the judge could have simply dismissed Friedrich's claim with prejudice and slapped him with a cease and desist.

And I'm not sure what he did was illegal, regardless, because he could argue he was simply charging for the autograph and not the art, so it be a matter than to determine if he was violating copyright, which is NOT why he owes Marvel seventeen grand.

Also, if Gary actually created Ghost Rider, then selling prints isn't illegal at all.

Anyway, Rabid you sound like someone invested in the business and not the artist end. Run a comicbook shop by chance?
rabid writes:
on February 14th, 2012 at 11:11:30 AM

No, I'm a comic book artist. I've seen Friedrich at conventions selling GR merch, cashing in on a character that's been around since he was 6 years old.
The $17grand was what a judge deemed he made in sales of bootleg art prints, which he was selling framed or unframed with his signature.
rabid writes:
on February 14th, 2012 at 11:38:56 AM

I really don't think the $17grand is any kind of punishment for sueing Marvel. It's just legal deterrent. Not protecting their trademark when someone bootlegs their stuff sets a dangerous precedent. $17g is not that much money. He has until next Feb to pay it, or else he gets the full damages suit which will cost him hundreds of thousands.

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