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Discuss: What was the Worst Film to Win an Oscar?

Posted: September 21st, 2009 by WorstPreviews.com Staff
Discuss: What was the Worst Film to Win an Oscar?Submit Comment
Best Picture winners are often as much the product of their times and a well-funded campaign as they are reflective of the quality of the films. Hindsight can give some perspective and make us roll our eyes at past winners.

Case in point: 1994, when "Forrest Gump" beat out both "Pulp Fiction" and "The Shawshank Redemption." Consider 1976, when "Rocky" beat "Taxi Driver," "All the President's Men" and "Network." My personal beef with the Academy involves "Brokeback Mountain" and its loss to the forgettable "Crash."

But its not only films that win and lose awards. Back in 2001, "A Beautiful Mind" won Best Actress (Jennifer Connelly), Best Screenplay (Akiva Goldsman), Best Director (Ron Howard) and Best Picture. But the lead actor, Russell Crowe, got nothing. In fact, he ended up losing to Denzel Washington for "Training Day," the film that pretended that Washington was the lead instead of Ethan Hawke.

What's the most egregious loss that you remember? Or even worse, what is the most deserving film that was never even nominated for an award?

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j-man writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:24:44 AM

brokebacks only remembered because it had gay cowboys.....crash was far better........morgan freeman having to wait so long for an oscar and steve buscemi not ever recieving one....

and no country shudnt have one best film
gummijoker writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:40:35 AM

Worst movie to have won an Oscar is Slumdog millionare, The Dark knight wasn´t even nominated and chariots of fire was horrible raiders of the lost ark should have won.
Seras writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:48:41 AM

"Shakespeare in Love" beating out "Saving Private Ryan" is still something I'll never get.
vortep writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:51:49 AM

Ralph Fiennes losing to Tommy Lee Jones was one the biggest jokes ever. Fiennes made one of the most phenomenal performances in Schindler’s list, and yet Jones won for Fugitive? Joke.
Also Brokeback Mountain losing to Crash was the moment I give up on the Academy.

This year Slumdog (it was a good movie but…) to win and not Benjamin Button? No thanks.
BondMcClane007 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:54:48 AM

agreed seras
wonderBOY writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:02:27 AM

j-man steve buscemi will never win an oscar because he has been in too many adam sandler movies but he is my favourite actor slumdog shouldnt of won best pic it should of been walle even if it wasnt nominated
otis writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:45:59 AM

That '76 race flabbergasted me for sure. Network should have won, mostly because it puts into perspective the world as it is. Rocky is about a guy with a thick accent beating up people for a living. Network suggests you, the audience, get mad!
freshfromthedeli writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:47:12 AM

I'm not saying it should've won, but Dark Knight should've been nominated for best picture.
dandythelion writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:48:39 AM

CRASH was absolutely RUBBISH compared to Brokeback Mountain. Slumdog didn't deserve the slew of nomination it got, but it deserved something. The Dark Knight didn't deserve sh*t and was a tedious excercise in fanboy masturbation. Nolan has one good film The Prestige and THAT should have won best picture but wasn't even nominated. still it deserved the measly categories it Was nominated for.

Lord of the Rings: Return of the King is another undeserving best picture winner.

The majority of best picture winners after Ghandi weren't spectacular. some were memorable but there has almost always been a much more deserving film out there.
dandythelion writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:50:30 AM

go ahead, eat me up. i'm not apologizing to anyone with a Dark Knight obssession. Go jerk off to your "Batman 3" fan scripts
freshfromthedeli writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:54:04 AM

Wow...Dandy... It's a little early to be that pissed off. Fine, maybe Dark Knight didn't deserve the nomination for Best Picture, but Slumdog Millionaire sucked. Any of those other noms besides The Reader deserved it more.
Moviewatcher1234 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:54:44 AM

Crash winning anything was definitely my pick. A forgettable movie, to say the least.
Farradin writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:55:11 AM

Dark Knight not being nominated.
Departed winning Best Picture.
Crash of course, that film was very unsubtle.
Shakespeare in Love should never have beaten both Saving Private Ryan and Life is beautiful.
Ordinary People beat Raging Bull and Elephant Man.
Tom Jones won in 1963. 8 and a half and the Great Escape weren't nominated for best picture.
Gigi beat Cat on a hot Tin Roof the A Touch of Evil and The Hidden Fotress.
Probably the greatest injustice of all Around the world in 80 days beat Giant, The King and I and The Ten Commandments to win Best picture.
There is little wrong with the choices before 1950.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:55:16 AM

"What's the most egregious loss that you remember? Or even worse, what is the most deserving film that was never even nominated for an award?"

Jack taking Best Actor over Matt Damon in Good Will?

Goodfellas never even receiving one nom? But hey, Whoopi got a best supporting actress the same year for her whimsical Ghost role. lol. Whatever.

Annie Hall over Star Wars comes to mind. Annie Hall? ANNIE HALL?? What the f*ck ever. Not to mention Raiders of the Lost Ark's total Academy snub.

Cabaret's Best Director Win over Godfather. lol. Over f*cking Godfather of all films.

And defintely, Shakespeare in Love's win over Saving Private Ryan is a goddamned Greek tragedy for sure.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:59:38 AM

"I'm not saying it should've won, but Dark Knight should've been nominated for best picture"

I have no issue with a nom, but TDK does not deserve a win. At all. The poor editing alone, nevermind the flawed story, knock TDK out.
Farradin writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 8:03:57 AM

The Dark Knight is a good film terribly editted. The timing for almost everything is off. An extra second or two on most scenes and would at least be as well made as all Nolan's previous films. With what was there it should have been nominated but it in no way should have won.
abhisal writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 8:05:48 AM

1995, Braveheart gets Best Picture, what does Se7en get? MTV Movie Award.
Vincent Chase writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 8:19:08 AM

Crash I could have called getting Best Picture. Brokeback was a GREAT film, but it only got alot of hype for the controversy.

I'd go with Slumdog Millionaire. I would have taken any of the other nominations over SM. That movie was so cliche and dumb that I don't get how the academy recognized it as such a great film. In my opinion, Milk should have gotten Best Picture.

Joaquin Phoenix not getting the win for Supporting Actor for when he protrayed Commodus still baffles me to this day.
emonne writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 8:23:22 AM

most of u guys sound like those annoying film nerds that will hate a good mindless summer movie for dumb reasons. one of the only ones i can really agree with is Shakespeare in Love beating saving private ryan.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 8:35:04 AM

"most of u guys sound like those annoying film nerds"

And you sound like one of those dumb guys that doesn't know jack about sh*t because all you do is it around watching mindless summer crap and beating off to Victoria Secret catalogs.

And how is knowing something about modern culture a bad thing? You make it seem like knowledge is evil.

"that will hate a good mindless summer movie for dumb reasons."

If a summer film is mindless, then don't you think that if we hate it, we have a good reason? Right? Because its mindless? You do notice a glaring contradiction, right?
tubbtubbs writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 8:36:42 AM

Peter O'Toole still has NOT won an Oscar? I call shenanigans.
ACTIONFIGURE writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:09:30 AM

"Foreskin Grump" over Pulp Fiction?? Proof enough that us mere mortals have angered Gods and our doom will not be swift by their hands...And Mickey Rourke losing to Sean Penn?? That's more wrong than two boys f*cking.
thedotsays writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:18:49 AM

@Seras & @tubbtubbs. My thoughts exactly. How O'Toole has never won anything baffles me.
One of my biggest errors in judgements has to have been Jennifer Hudson winning for Dreamgirls. Granted, the other nominees were okay but an Oscar for playing a plus-sized black singer? Yeah she really threw herself into that role.

I'm a huge fan of Bio-pics, when they are done right like Ray, or Ali. But Reese Witherspoon winning for Walk The Line? Over Judi Dench, Theron and Felicity Huffman just stunned me.
And on the subject of bio-[ics, Love him or hate him, Will Smith should have won for Ali. Denzel had much greater roles than Training Day and I was pissed that the Academy chose that year to toss him a bone to make for their previous oversights. Smith was great in Ali. Although his protrayl as a flamboyant black man wasn't a strectch and argues my previous Hudson remark, he delivered one hell of a beleiveable performance as Ali. But I guess the Academy would look pretty stupid giving it to Smith, then Foxx (for Ray) and then Whitaker (for Last King of Scotland)
mdp711 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:27:39 AM

@Mink... I don't get the ANNIE HALL thing either. I'm much older than you (I think) and I like a few of Woody's earlier films, but Annie Hall was a bore.

I tape the Oscars and fast forward through most of it.
bobs8movies writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:28:07 AM

Mel Gibson not even getting a Best Actor nomination for Braveheart was crazy. Shakespeare in Love winning Best Picture over Saving private ryan was insane. Slumdog millionare winning best picture WTF? Benjamin button was a much better film as was The Dark Knight which wasnt even nominated. And dont even get me started on The English Patient, Fargo or Jerry Maguire would have been a much better choice.
nope.com writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:34:53 AM

Network getting the shaft was inexcusable, such a significant film being put down by a boxing (albeit classic film) story still stings

but it's 2009 so what the hell

Crash btw was WAY overrated, too bad the Academy drops their pants and bends over at the first topic of racial tension in films
nope.com writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:37:22 AM

btw if only 'The Conversation' wasn't released the same year as Godfather 2, I sure wish it would've gotten better recognition than being overshadowed by G2 and Chinatown.. tis a shame
Lordchristo writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:49:04 AM

Just another year without Zombie Strippers even getting mentioned. . .
asylum writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:55:06 AM

Action Figure:"Foreskin Grump" over Pulp Fiction?? Proof enough that us mere mortals have angered Gods and our doom will not be swift by their hands...

Forrest Gump is probably one of the best films of ALL TIME, with one of the best acting performances of ALL TIME. It is one thing to like Pulp Fiction, but to say Forrest Gump was bad is a little ridiculous.
coolguy writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:56:21 AM

the dark knight shouldve been nominated over the reader, and slumdog millionaire was a much better film then benjamin button
Grumblestyle writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:00:58 AM

WWKWD?
Grumblestyle writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:01:18 AM

What Would Kayne West Do?
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:12:51 AM

My momma always told me...

Forrest Gump is too annoyingly patronizing to get my respect.

Tom Hanks plays what is commonly referred to as a retard, in the sense that his mental faculties are impaired, i.e., retarded. And yet, he meets the President, saves the world from an asteroid and goes Back to the Future. Or something like that.

Ummm, ok, what the f*ck ever. I get that Gump is fantasy, but reinventing an individual from a class of people that cannot tie their shoes into some kind of near superhero not only shatters credulity, but it's sickeningly patronizing to people with mental impairments.

And then, when you examine the movie critically, it's not even that wonderful. Underwhelming music, Tom Hanks portrayal isn't very convincing, in large part because of the ridiculous subject matter, and a less than blaziningly stellar supporting cast do not help.

And what was the point of the film? What did it say? That a retard can fall in love whilst winning more combat medals than Chuck Norris? Come on. Forrest Gump is supposed to be about life, that if you have the right attitude you can build a balloon to the moon. Is that the message? Because perhaps I missed the point. I was too busy listening to Hanks talk through a mouth full of peanut butter.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:23:44 AM

"1995, Braveheart gets Best Picture, what does Se7en get? "

I love Se7en, but I think it's well accepted that Pitt's acting wasn't very good, and he was entirely upstaged, surely as an unintentional byproduct of relaxed skill and talent, by Freeman's breezy performance.

And: Pitt's end scene acting deserved a Razzie, for sure.
Movieman188 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:37:56 AM

Michael Shannon losing to Heath Ledger. i luv heath and all, but shannon clearly desereved best supporting actor. and if it wasnt michael who got it, it should have been Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
NatG83 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:39:47 AM

I agree with a lot of the examples listed above. Personally, I felt the Best Supporting Actress has overlooked Amy Adams. I mean, the girl nailed Doubt, nailed Enchanted, nailed Junebug, was good in Sunshine Cleaning, and showed promise in comedies like Talladega (spelling) Nights. On the note of Doubt, I felt Viola Davis deserved it more the Penelope Cruz.

I also felt that Kate Winslet, although a decent actress, didn't deserve the award this year. Jolie was amazing in Changeling, but Streep owned Doubt.

Ben Kingsley got cheated in '03 for best actor (Penn won that year, although Penn was good in Mystic river). Clint Eastwood got cheated out of best director by Peter Jackson.

I could go on, but I'm sure that I've said enough, and that there are some who will disagree with me.
mdp711 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:39:51 AM

@mink... You should be an American Idol judge. And I say that with a seriously, devlish grin.
KirkLazerus writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:41:59 AM

Crash Winning
Slumdog Winning
No country beating There will be Blood
and Al Pacino Beating RdJ in 1993 for best actor
Armpit writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:43:05 AM

Brokeback - I agree. Us average males don't understand love - poor gay guys being bashed all the time being told they are not normal. Put a few millions with an average story - BUT add some coal hole f*cking and you got yourself a good contestant for a statuette.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:43:21 AM

How about when "the greatest show on earth" won and "High Noon" didn't
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:54:23 AM

@mdp711

Thanks. I think?

And No Country's win over There Will Be Blood must've been a close contest. Both were well acted, well paced and very well written, but I must confess that I prefer Daniel Day-Lewis over any of No Country's cast.
acslaterson writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:00:13 AM

Had the Academy known there would have been a "Rocky V", I think they definitely would have gone with "Taxi Driver". I have yet to see "Brokeback", but "Crash" was my pick that year as well.
MustacheMike writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:03:34 AM

mink your a douche, im sure you will be proud of it too which makes it all the more true, enjoy your college film class, where you think everything your professor says is the fu*kin gospel of truth, its all biased and thats it. if you liked it, it was good, if you didn't then it wasn't. everyones in it to make money, if they win an award its just a bonus.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:07:47 AM

Thank you mustachemike for your kind words.

Now, if only I had a dime every time some teeniebopper called me a douche, I could buy Obama's Senate seat.
acslaterson writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:12:24 AM

My favorites?

1.) "The Departed" is my favorite movie of all time. The actors, the soundtrack, the direction? All top notch and WAY overdue.

2.) "Unforgiven", Eastwood's performance is one of my favorite film badasses of all time. His speech at the end of the movie gives me goosebumps every f*cking time.

"You better bury Ned right; and don't go cuttin' up... nor otherwise harm no whores, or I'll come back and kill every one of you sons-a-bitches."
j-man writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:16:23 AM

yea wonderboy, i guess ur kind of right. he needs another serious role
PirateDave128 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:16:38 AM

Mickey Rourke should of won this year not sean penn.
And Chicago being nominated for Best Film was bad enough. But for it to win and beat The Pianist is unforgivable

And of course Pulp Fiction and Shawshank Redemption are much better than Forest Gump for christs sake
WV-Films writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:19:32 AM

I like these "Discuss" headlines. WP should do more of these. Also Slumdog, Crash, and No Country all shouldn't have won.
tcu21 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:20:10 AM

Clint Eastwood not even being nominated for Gran Torino last year?
Mark Wahlberg being nominated for the Departed over DiCaprio, Damon, and Nicholson?
Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan definitely.
Forrest Gump deserved it's Best Picture.
No Country for Old Men winning Best Picture
Forrest Whitaker winning for Last King of Scotland and James McAvoy not even being nominated.
Al Pacino for Scent of a Woman over Clint Eastwood (Unforgiven), Robert Downey Jr.(Chaplain), and Denzel Washington (Malcolm X)

The list is endless, the Academy hardly gets it right.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:24:09 AM

"And No Country's win over There Will Be Blood must've been a close contest. Both were well acted, well paced and very well written, but I must confess that I prefer Daniel Day-Lewis over any of No Country's cast."

I agree with you wholeheartedly, sir. Daniel Day-Lewis was a friggin' freight train in that film. Wait, what am I saying? In every film! If there's one person that could stand up to Satan in terms of sheer volcanic intensity, it's him. Ha ha.

"Goodfellas never even receiving one nom? But hey, Whoopi got a best supporting actress the same year for her whimsical Ghost role. lol. Whatever"

There was a reason for that. The Academy was trying to make amends for leaving Whoopi empty-handed for "The Color Purple". It was a token prize (no pun intended) used to express their guilt.
ACTIONFIGURE writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:37:19 AM

@asylum-"Forrest Gump" May not be the worst film in history. However-comma in compared to "Pulp"? It's just not right. "Pulp" went home with only one oscar that year for best screenplay. It deserved far more then it received and it was steamrolled by a overdone "fable" that just happened to be the favorite that year.
Same can be said about Heath Ledger...His Joker was great to be sure. However, Robert Downey Jr. in "Tropic Thunder" was pure genius...An American portaying an Aussie playing a Black guy and making it world. Ledger was the favorite because of his death with made "Dark Knight" a huge movie and it was made a huge movie due to his death. Now, would Downey truly stood a chance of winning if not for Ledger's death?? Better yet, If not for his death, would Ledger even had been nominated at all?? Just something to ponder...
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:41:32 AM

"Now, would Downey truly stood a chance of winning if not for Ledger's death?? Better yet, If not for his death, would Ledger even had been nominated at all?? "

If Ledger hadn't died, we wouldn't even be talking about him today. TDK would've been just another healthily fed summer blockbuster.
Snarebeast writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:45:01 AM

The fact that The Wrestler wasn't even nominated for best picture brings my piss to a boil.
Shan writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:55:46 AM

One film that really pissed me of was American Beauty. What a waste of time. How that movie took so many Oscars is beyond me. And Titanic anyone? I guess the only reason it can be called a deserving oscar winning film was because they killed of Dicaprio in it...
Kill-the-director writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:07:38 PM

@tcu21 i think gran torino came out too late to be consider. hopefully this year easwood will get a deserved award.
BigUnit writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:08:29 PM

No Country For Old Men.. enough said.
BigUnit writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:10:54 PM

Shan- WTF are you talking about, AMERICAN BEAUTY pissing you off? you have to be the first and only person that did not like that movie. Mind boggling ending, and just a great all around flick!
dwight writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:14:52 PM

Polar Express winning over Pirates an Transformers for best visual effects. Same thing last year with CCBB over TDK an Iron Man. Batman Begins was better than TDK and should have won an Oscar. Top of the list Children of Men(an outstanding film) should have one for best for Picture and Visual Effects if not more. These people who vote to give the awards should be beaten and replaced.
MustacheMike writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:16:03 PM

pretty ignorant comment mink...
BigUnit writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:25:20 PM

Mink- id have to disagree with you, even befor heath Ledger's death there was alot of hype for the dark knight and there is no question that heaths performance was just mind blowing. hands down, no brainer they better have given him the oscar.
coldplayesence writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:27:24 PM

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind deserved a goddamn nomination for best picture, at least! Then there's this little movie called Fight Club that you might remenber that deserved a nom too.
Blink_pimp_182 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:29:40 PM

Children Of Men not getting. Actor, Picture, Director, Writing and supporting Actor. That movie was simply one of the best movies EVER!! That was an absolute screw job and The Academy will never gain ground after that.
JaCKsWaS7eDL1Fe writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:31:21 PM

black hawk down not even getting nominated in 2002, and a beautiful mind winning....i mean for christs sake lotr rotk got nominated
Blink_pimp_182 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:31:34 PM

* also the Oscars don't compare to the Emmy's for screwing people over. The Office is the best comedy and Dexter is the best drama. They only vote for 30 Rock because they don't want the backlash of not supporting it like Arrested Development
Bob82 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:33:53 PM

"Crash" winning over "Brokeback Mountain" or "Good Night, and Good Luck", both great and real movies, instead of that film school garbage. Roberto Benigni winning over Nick Nolte or Ian McKellen, both superb and dramatic performances, instead of that goofy lead by an actor that I don't dislike, but that award was pointless. "Shakespeare In Love" was another one, although I liked that movie, but "Saving Private Ryan" was better. Cuba Gooding Jr., I can't remember who he was compiting with, but come on, his performance it's just fun, not great. "Chicago", a piece of sh*t, winning Best Picture over "The Pianist". And the list goes on...
ACTIONFIGURE writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:37:03 PM

@minkowski-Here's true proof that the Oscars are irrepairably flawed-Dino De Laurentiis has an oscar for lifetime acheviement in 2001 and only now is Roger Corman getting one this year. Right there, evidence that this is no God.
BigUnit writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:38:19 PM

Children of Men was a GREAT movie and for it not to win anything is just a crime in my opinion, HOWEVER, it did get a legit 4 out of 4 stars by the critics, well deserved i must say
KirkLazerus writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:46:43 PM

o i forgot to mention Casey Affleck being nominated in 08, he is truly a god awful actor, if anyone was to be nominated in that movie it should have been Sam Rockwell
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:50:04 PM

"pretty ignorant comment mink..."

Thanks again! Love ya! BTW, which one, I made like fifty in the last two hurs.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:50:54 PM

@MustacheMike - 'pretty ignorant comment mink...'
Yeah... well f*cking deal with it.

@emonne - look who's talking.

Stick to the topic of the thread and save the personal attacks for when you rape your Mothers. If you don't know enough, shut your c*cksuckers. If you have an opinion (on topic) post it. Otherwise, scroll past those you don't want to read, or shut the f*ck up! You pathetic, simple trilobites!

As to everyone else... you have it covered (well).

Saving Private Ryan overlooked - because it was too good.

I think Tom Cruise overlooked for Born on the First of July - is one I never understood (other than he was too young and too successful and climbing the ladder too fast).

@otis - Rocky did deserve the prize over anything else. If you think that movie is only about boxing, you have missed it's point. It's a story about a man that cares for everyone around him (a drunk outside a bar), a girl hanging with the wrong crowd, he having a dream, he finding his soul-mate, karma, he having angels on his shoulders being everybody he knows (even his drunk brother-in-law to be). So if you have it down to just boxing. That's too bad.

I thought TDK was good. Heath was exceptional! His award was justified (and I say that not giving a sh*t either way that he died), but TDK being overlooked, I was (very) ok with.

If Mel was overlooked for Braveheart (have to review my Oscar history)... that's bullsh*t.

@vortep (posting near the top) - all good calls. Tommy Lee Jones is award worthy for sure (I think you'd even agree), but you're right... in the year of Schlinder's List - Ralph (pronounced RAIF is anyone cares) should have been a no-brainer.

Slumdog over Benjamin Button - OK, because they're the independent low-budget deal, and BB was not, and had very successful Pitt in it and was far more polished... ok, whatever. Pitt (same as Cruise back when) - too young (sort of) and too successful. The Academy thinks overlooking the obvious with put these gentlemen 'in their place'?! Spielberg has even been interviewed about The Oscar's commenting how laughable they are.

The rest of you... excellent calls!

I guess people (like myself) tune into The Oscar's to see the stars these days. Why root for your fav. movie when 'The Academy' CLEARLY doesn't know what they're doing... it's all politically run, and they want to tell the us what we like? Yeah... good luck with that.





dtstine writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 12:57:12 PM

Crowe winning for Gladiator instead of Tom Hanks for Cast Away. Didn't make much sense. All he said was "My name is Maximus."
stevepoots writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:09:51 PM

Jim Carrey should have won one by now.. or three (Eternal Sunshine, Man on the Moon, Truman Show)
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:10:18 PM

Well, i suppose ill pipe up now..

Heath Ledger, deserved a win for TDK? Are you f*cking kidding me?... I can understand his nomination but up against, Michael Shannon, Downey JR and Seymour Hoffman... give me a f*cking break.. All of them more deserving, even Josh Brolin in Milk did a better job... Ledgers performance was decent and nod worthy... But Downey JR should have f*cking won...

And the biggest travesty in academy awards history was Shawshank losing to Gump... what a f*cking joke.. the academy has been a f*cking joke since they decided to give Rocky best picture...
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:10:25 PM

"Mink- id have to disagree with you, even befor heath Ledger's death there was alot of hype for the dark knight and there is no question that heaths performance was just mind blowing. hands down, no brainer they better have given him the oscar."

Well, I respectfully disagree. From my perspective, I didn't see much hype, certainly not much more than any other summer blockbuster. I just didn't see it.

Transformers 2 had far more hype, with the posters, the cardboard cutouts, the drinking glasses, et cetera, but of course TDK didn't have Ledger's death. Had shia died, ROTF would've probably garnered far more sympathetic reviews.

And ROTF is a total trash film. Just goes to show you what a tragic death of a lovable actor can do for your film. Every director should try it.

As for Heath's role? Well, let me put it to you like this: for a guy, I think imitating a psycho is probably one of the easier roles. I've imitated a joker type personality just f*cking around. Laughing maniacally, bizarre and menacing facial expression the works. People thought I rocked, but perhaps I'm a better actor than I think? And that was well before TDK. That was just f*cking around, not even drunk.

To me, a role like that is far easier and more fun to pull of than, say, Penn's role as a gay guy.

And I also disagree as to th extent of how well Ledger represent the Joker. As I've said before, the Joker's role as written just wasn't that great. It was one face of the coin, with Nicholson's role providing the other. Ledger's character was just a crazy anarchist murderer, which on the face of it, would seem to represent Joker well.

But missing is the debonair flare, the charisma, the humor, the style, the charm and the threatening little idiosyncracies.

Ledger did well what he was asked to do, which wasn't a herculean demand of acting, but his role wasn't terribly faithful to the traditional and well-established Joker persona.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:15:56 PM

"Rocky did deserve the prize over anything else. If you think that movie is only about boxing, you have missed it's point. It's a story about a man that cares for everyone around him (a drunk outside a bar), a girl hanging with the wrong crowd, he having a dream, he finding his soul-mate, karma, he having angels on his shoulders being everybody he knows (even his drunk brother-in-law to be). So if you have it down to just boxing. That's too bad."

I pretty much agree. We disagree on Ledger, no doubt, but not on this. Network, that year's contender, I believe, was far too cynical and negative, excellent performances aside.

Rocky is the epitome of the American dream, of the human heart. People love films about underdogs making it big, especially kind, lovable underdogs like Rocky. Sly and Shire's performances were great!
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:15:59 PM






I wonder how many in Hollywood have used their Oscars for either dildos or suppositories?





mdp711 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:17:41 PM

@MINK... I did mean that seriously. I wrote you an email that you didn't respond to, but hey, that's OK. I love your comments. As a gay male (and yes, gay jokes I love), and especially a right-winged gay male, I find your comments (most of the time) on the mark.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:18:32 PM

"And the biggest travesty in academy awards history was Shawshank losing to Gump... what a f*cking joke.. "

We like to call that a 'cosmic farce', Triggax. That's god telling a really bad joke. Shawshank should've raped (sorry Lost Rose) Gump.
Foop writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:18:40 PM

Crash didn't deserve its oscar, it wasn't edgy or introspective, and was mostly just L.A. navel-gazing. Both Fight Club and Snatch were passed over for Oscars, with Fight Club only being nominated for visual effects, as opposed to a nomination for...well everything else (adapted screenplay, actor, and original score come to mind)
Also, who up there said Slumdog didn't deserve best picture? do you WATCH movies?
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:20:40 PM

"@MINK... I did mean that seriously. I wrote you an email that you didn't respond to, but hey, that's OK. I love your comments. As a gay male (and yes, gay jokes I love), and especially a right-winged gay male, I find your comments (most of the time) on the mark. "

Oh, ok, well thanks a lot man. As for the email, that's not a snub. Are you talking about email on here?? Because I never received anything from you anywhere else. I wasn't aware that you can send interpersonal messages through WP. How do you check for those?
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:24:18 PM

@mink & trig - kewl... I like what we disagree on. Ledger (really... I don't care he died, didn't know the guy). From an old comic book collector, but excluding the fact Batman is a comic book character... and from the old Joker's we has, seen, known and maybe loved. Heath's was a 'stand-alone' original creation. Screw Batman, comics, TDK 'hype'... I watched that movie with my best friend and his wife and when she saw me smiling during the movie, she asked: 'What?' - I replied... they have FINALLY don't the Joker right!

@trig - I'm a Gump fan... a big fan! But, yeah, if Shawshank was up against it that year, Shawshank winning should have been a no-brainer.

Unrelated to your guy's opinions, just to reiterate (how badly The Academy sucks) - Cruise for Born on the 4th of July should have been ANOTHER 'no-brainer!'

And to those that don't 'understand' Rocky (true... even one of my best friends doesn't - won't try - thus, never will) - it's too bad. It's a 'classic' 'classy' movie in EVERY way. If you don't quite see that (and I say this WITHOUT sarcasm) - as the movie lover you are (if you're here on WP) - give it another chance and re-watch Rocky with some new eyes. I'll go further to say (now this is a can of worms as to which Rocky's people liked)... that Rocky 1-3 are amazing. The Hulk Hogan scene in #3 AND Mr. T's (his ONLY good performance) were worth the price of the ticket right there.

I lost respect for The Oscar's decades ago. I still appreciate what it does for an Actor's salary... beyond that... it's a doorstop.
Capt. Hilts writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:25:44 PM

how about the the ultimate snub of all, Scorcese, he has done films that were way better than the departed. seriously i dont think i need to mention them. also return of the king sweeping the oscars, im mean come on. that was complete bull, they didnt even bother to try and hide the fact that they were just gooing to shell out those awards for the 3rd movie. but the biggest thing was Plummer receiving an achievement award as sort of a consolation prize, that pissed me off more than anything
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:26:28 PM

@Foop - good post.

You mentioning Fight Club and Snatch overlooked. Just more evidence (fuel for the fire), ALONG WITH Benjamin Button, they'll snug Pitt (and anything he's in) for as long as they can. The old f*ckers on that board are jealous of his accomplishments. And as I mentioned above... did the same to Cruise for the obvious BOT4thofJ
rabid writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:27:03 PM

I too thought Slumdog Millionaire was terrible and undeserving of an oscar. The same goes for Million Dollar Baby.
rabid writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:27:50 PM

And the Departed was horrible, the worst Scorsese ever filmed.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:30:45 PM

Its funny when you look back at all the movies that didn't win and they are more loved and remembered then the ones thats did.

Like i can watch Shakespeare in love and never think it one a best picture award but still enjoy it but when you lear what it beat out that year you kind of look back at it and go wtf.

the year Titanic won As good as it gets, LA confidential and good will hunting were all better in m eyes


BigUnit writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:31:10 PM

@dtstine- that comment was just god awful.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:32:07 PM

And The Aviator won five lousy token Oscars. even if you don't like di Caprio, he did well in that film. No win for direction? Scorsese deserves better.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:33:06 PM

And Gangs of New York? Not one f*cking win? A bunch of noms, but not one win??
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:33:47 PM

I wouldn't call Slumdog the worst film but I certainly don't believe it deserved to win all those awards. I definitely believed Dark Knight should have received a nomination. Benjamin Button is essentially Forrest Gump done by Fincher with some CGI.
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:37:23 PM

If you didn't see the Dark Knight hype prior to Ledger eating the pills you are simply blind. Also what the f*ck is this nonsense of Rourke playing himself in the Wrestler being better than Sean Penn? I know we all love a comeback but he was nowhere near as good in The Wrestler as Penn was in Milk. NOWHERE NEAR!
IRONDAN writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:40:37 PM

Does anyone else here feel like there is always one movie up for best picture that just completely does not belong there...

we can all bitch about Shawshank not getting it and Gump winning but i can see why they where both nominated but what is Four weddings and a funeral won? why is that up there with Shawshank, Gump, Pulp fiction and Quiz show which i think are all great movies

really if you take any year there is a odd man out in the running..... babe? Godfather part 3? the fugitive?

not saying there bad movies but if there where left off the ticket i dont think anyone would have said peep
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:41:23 PM

I also find that most people that have beef with Ledger/Nolan's interpretation of Joker simply don't have proper knowledge of the original take on the character.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:43:02 PM

"If you didn't see the Dark Knight hype prior to Ledger eating the pills you are simply blind."

Well, I'm gussing from you nick and avatar that youre in the TDK camp.

Look, I saw the hype, TDK. I just didn't see an *excess* of hype. Not the amount that would generate such a collossal win at the BO. No, something else was as work. Something you'd need a sociologist to explain.

But can we agree that Penn absolutely outshone Rourke basically playing the role he almost always plays? We can agree Penn blew Rourke away? Yeah?

Then again, Penn has always been a great actor, so perhaps a little Oscar encouragement to Rourke will build him some much needed confidence and clout.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:44:52 PM

"I also find that most people that have beef with Ledger/Nolan's interpretation of Joker simply don't have proper knowledge of the original take on the character."

Which is why I have shelves and shelves of Batman material? Hmmm? Going all the way back to the beginning? But again, I know you're biased, perhaps even blinded by obsession with TDK.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:48:45 PM

@TH3D4RKKN1GH7 - I'm with you. As I posted above... I LOVED Heath's performance as The Joker (that will be hard to top... ever!).

In fairness to Mickey... I haven't see The Wrestler (yet... it's on my PVR awaiting my viewing). But I did see MILK, and Penn was his usual STELLAR (understatement). So, I couldn't compare the two. I think most would agree that Mickey playing a comeback guy (I'm a fan of Rocky... we ALL know that...lol) wasn't a stretch for him, and considering from the Lohan spot he's come from... is admirable... I wonder if that wasn't some influence on his wins as was Ledger's death was for his.

At least we have some meaty debates going on here. I can NOT fault ANYone for their opinions... so this should rock and roll for a while (until Lohan breaks into her house again... stupid bitch!).
JonDrama writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:51:49 PM

The Wrestler??
Best film last year...
Did it get what it deserved?
Not a chance..
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:51:55 PM

Yeah we can agree on that. I don't understand how someone can not like TDK. I know it's kind of an obnoxious thing to say, but I've talked to some folks who are like "it's a bad film" and I'm like what?! It's like when I hear someone say "The Godfather is not the great film everyone thinks it is" I look at them and I go... "what the f*ck are you some kind of a moron or something?"

I mean TDK is not as good a film as The Godfather to me but I give them the same kind of look. I think people should watch more movies before they call some flicks "bad" heh I'll show you a bad movie.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:52:04 PM

And it wasn't Ledger's interpretation specifically speaking. Ledger was given parameters, according to the script, to perfect his role. Narrow parameters. Am I the only poster that understands this? *Very* narrow parameters. Play a deranged misfit of a psychopath. No depth, no character, just a caricature spewing lines from the Anarchists Cookbook and Das Kapital.
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:53:02 PM

Hence the reason I used the word most Mink and not all. Relax.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:54:38 PM

Look, I'll say this for the 1000th time. TDK is alright, but not the Holy Grail of filmmaking everyone seems to think. It's *good*. But not perfect and not the greatest Batman film I've seen. BB gets that award.

Now, Godfather is a very well made film, no doubt, but not my kind of entertainment.
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:55:39 PM

Well Mink that's the original character lol. As you know he has no character arc, no background. It's part of the reason he's "frightening" this idea there's no real motive or reasoning. If you look at the approach Nolan took, this idea that Ledger/Joker was kind of the shark in jaws just cutting through the film, it makes a lot of sense. The story isn't really about the Joker it's about Dent/Two-Face. This set up is kinda f*cked up though due to Ledger's marvelous performance. It kind of makes people lose sight of the fact he's not the main villain.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:56:15 PM

"Hence the reason I used the word most Mink and not all. Relax. "

Well, considering I'm the only one saying anything 'negative' regarding TDK and Ledger, it was implied, for me anyway, you were referring to me indirectly. My humble apologies TDK.
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 1:56:32 PM

You know for a while I actually couldn't decide whether I liked TDK or BB more. Well now that I think of it, I still can't.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:00:45 PM

@TH3D4RKKN1GH7 - my good man... you are being just as un-accepting of others opinions as they are being of yours. But you're getting personal 'moron'+ 'obnoxious thing to say' - (and I agree with you about Heath's 'The Joker' - but I'm not the huge fan of the overall movie - Heath stole every scene - I mean... he WAS 'The Joker!'), but they're just opinions on here (like yours). Do you see what I'm saying?

@Mink - as I just posted. TDK was a good superhero movie, but I'll side with you (as has always been my position on the movie) - it's not earth-shattering. We we don't agree is my take on 'The Joker' - Heath rocked.

'How many of your friend have I killed?'

Cop: 6

Joker: 6 (looks surprised) - 'do you want me to tell you which one's died like cowards?'

Priceless! (and yeah, I know that was the script doing half the work).

And his walk... as he was blowing up the hospital.

'I'm going to make this pencil disappear... TA-DA!'

He stole that movie. They didn't even need Bale. They could have stuck Eastwood in the suit with his raspy Gran Torino voice and TA-DA!

But I think Heath stole the show.
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:01:29 PM

BTW I found Brokeback Mountain to be a tad bit boring. I think once you got over the shock factor that it was two cowboys kissing, it was a little flat. That could just be me though. It was more of a dual character study than anything and it was an ideas film, so I respect it. It's really held up by its performances. Everyone pulled their weight.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:02:14 PM

"As you know he has no character arc, no background. It's part of the reason he's "frightening" this idea there's no real motive or reasoning. "

Well it's clear I'm not going to convince you of all people, but I'll say this. When the Joker was introduced, he was NEW. He was fresh. He was a newborn without a life history. To do that to a character in a film 60 years later is just inexplicable, especially to those that know something about the Joker.

And it wasn't that Ledger's Joker had no backstory, no history, he had no *depth*. He was just a tool to provide mayhem. That's all. Not a character in his own right, just something of a flamethrower of a plot device, soemthing to start fires. And that's terrible, given the depth of the Joker afforded in a vast multitude of graphic novels.

It wasn't about the Joker? Well, it wasn't about Bale either, as some critics have said. It was about Dent and his ralationship to Batman, and I have no issue with Dent's characterization, but to split the film in so many ways led to bad editing, poor story structure and thin characterizations. I think the only person that delivered with any regularity was Oldman.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:02:21 PM

Especially from the waist down. Tug... tug...
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:05:06 PM

@Mink - re: The Joker - 'He was just a tool to provide mayhem.' ... ahh my friend. But what mayhem he provided indeed. He was a terrorist in TDK. I mean... that f*cker was completely unpredictable. It was ultimate mayhem via The Joker. But the writer and Nolan aren't given the credit they deserve as well. Heath was just the psycho cherry on top.
Snarebeast writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:05:23 PM

I'm just gonna muscle my way in here right quick: there was hype for TDK before Heath's death. I think there was probably more hype for the new Indy, which everybody was saying would be the highest grossing film of the year, as well as possibly the best (see how well that turned out). But they were already pretty deep into the viral marketing, which was being pretty heavily followed.

But once Heath died, excitement shot up like crazy. All of a sudden it was the single most anticipated movie for 08 and debates about who the best Joker was started, even though TDK hadn't even come out. Personally, I had been waiting for the movie since Begins. But there were a massive number of people who jumped on the bandwagon.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:05:59 PM

so I'll say it again one last time:

Ledger delivered on the characterization, which I believe was dimensionally minimized, and it wasn't a herculean role to master.

But yes, given what he was, Heath nailed it. I just don't agree that Ledger's Joker role was much work, and I disagree with the role as it was developed, though the latter is not Ledger's fault.
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:06:59 PM

Usually I am pretty accepting of others opinions and I did say that my comment was kind of obnoxious but to say Godfather is a BAD film or an average film to me, while it is an opinion, is like WTF?! I mean seriously a BAD/Average film?! Sex Lives of the Potato Men is a BAD film. Something like Gamer is an average film. The only time I really get annoyed is when people make rash statements like that, and its kind of like "you just haven't seen enough truly terrible movies".

I also fully see people's issues with Dark Knight (boat sequence totally feels rushed, as if the Nolans simply ran out of ideas, Two-Face will being the heart of the story, feels like an after thought due to Heath, it's 15 minutes too long, etc.) Like I get it, I'm just saying... Bad film? No.

Also MINK THIS IS NOT TO YOU! LOL just to clarify it's just a statement in general. I had a class the other day and we got into a TDK discussion and I'm just bringing up some of the things I heard there. People also had some harsh words for Citizen Kane. I don't think that's the best film ever (don't attack me) but I get its relevance in film history.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:09:10 PM

[' I mean... that f*cker was completely unpredictable. "

Yeas, and how easy it is to write a role where the character just does one random evil act after another, with no history, no depth, no personality. I could do that!

"It was ultimate mayhem via The Joker. "

Yes, but the Joker is far more than that. As a Marvel guy, Ranger, you might not have read the Batman sh*t that I have. Joker has far more going on than what we saw in Heath's role. He's not just crazy, he's supernaturally evil, in a non-supernatural way.
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:09:23 PM

Yeah Mink I totally get your point on the Joker bit. Our comment/responses are a bit out of sync so its like we keep running around in circles over things. I've heard that point before.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:10:51 PM

Yeah, the boat scene was rushed for sure. Very contrived and unrealistic. I would've rather have had the joker take down a skyscraper as amoral dilemma. It just didn't work.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:11:38 PM

Then let's talk about something else. Plenty of other films besides TDK.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:12:16 PM

And yes, BB totally rocked. My fav Batman.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:12:16 PM

'Sex Lives of the Potato Men is a BAD film.' -- lol... I'll bet it is.

You want 'bad'... find MegaForce with Barry Bostwick. It'll have you in a wrist cutting race with Lohan before it's over. Flying f*cking motorcycles (the likes of the comeback of Battlestar Galactica 100 years ago).

So MOST here seem to agree that ANY failing TDK MAY have had was the misdirection the audience was fed, as to whom the main characters were intended to be, and what eventually we saw on the screen. If the Joker wasn't to be one... he certainly came out (to me) as the STAR of the show. If Dent was to be... that was lost on the editing room floor. Oldman WAS a main character but was out-shined by everything and everyone else (his performance was rock solid as his character is), and Bale... was he even in it? I joke... but, well... ok, I'm not joking. Was Bale even in TDK?!
JonDrama writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:13:38 PM

Can anyone tell me how Apocalypse could have lost out to Kramer Vs. Kramer?
Or Fargo losing to The English Patient?
Goodfellas losing to Dances with Costner?
What the f*ck is wrong with these pricks?
padfootbob writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:13:54 PM

DEFINITELY Chicago beating The Pianist... I mean WHAT THE f*ck?!

oh, and also, crash sucks.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:14:08 PM

Worst film ever? Starship Troopers 2. Nuff said.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:15:50 PM

"Was Bale even in TDK?!"

He played a guy in plastic with a bad cough.

Nowhere to be seen was Bruce Wayne.
BigUnit writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:17:38 PM

Bale is the best Bruce Wayne were ever going to get.
BigUnit writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:18:52 PM

Legder is the best joker we are ever going to see, The Dark Knight PERFECTION
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:18:56 PM

That suit is uber heavy I got to faux with it at a museum in NY. Lugging around 108LBS doing kicks and sh*t... f*ck that. While we're talking about Oscars btw... It's a f*cking joke, I gave up on the Oscars years ago and I'm still a teen. Even at the age of 9 I could see it was bullsh*t LOL.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:19:03 PM

He's not just crazy, he's supernaturally evil, in a non-supernatural way. - I'll bet he is. But Hollywood NEVER, EVER delivers fully. The think for the viewing audience that think we either won't get it, or it'll be overload for us if they do deliver. That's why they ALWAYS hold back with Superman. He's a UNIVERSAL Superhero... a protector of solar systems. Not wet-spotting for f*cking Lois for 90 minutes EVERY f*ckING FILM!!!

BB being the best Batman film... that's an easy call, I agree. A close 2nd if the 1966 Batman with West and Ward. That Batmobile ROCKS!!!! (it weighs 17 tons, but it rocks!).

'Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!'

'Holy Almost!'

2 of some of the best lines ever spoken... lol.

'...how easy it is to write a role where the character just does one random evil act after another, with no history, no depth, no personality.' -- this was a stretch for Hollywood Mink, you can see that. The Joker on ANYthing TV or movie of The Batman saw him 'pretty tame' as compared to Heath's Joker. Nice to see Hollywood let the Artist (writer, director and actor) do their thing for a change. I'll bet you a kidney though that it was a fight from the get-go (prod. co vs. the Studio).
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:20:58 PM

Yeah, yeah, we get it. You worked for the production company. Cleaning toilets? Hell at least TDK has the ability to compromise and post cogent and detailed comments. You're just mindlessly cheerleading. How about a real comment, wherein you express a complex thought and not some empty sloganeering? Come on Big Unit, I'm challenging you.
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:23:03 PM

Yeah we're never gonna get the RAW Joker that tricks prisoners into rigging themselves with C4 and blows them up. We're never gonna get that reallllllll gritty Joker but this one was as close I think we'll get and I think that's where my appreciation for him really comes from. They nailed the nasty side of Joker that Hollywood always kind of ignores. But with that said, Batman Animated Series Joker is still BAD ASS.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:23:57 PM

"you can see that. The Joker on ANYthing TV or movie of The Batman saw him 'pretty tame' as compared to Heath's Joker. "

You've obviously never read any of the graphic novels, where the Joker steals a car, kills the driver, a couple, and then drives around hitting woman and children. Now THATS evil. Shoving a pencil into a bad guys head and blowing up an empty hostpital wouldn't even make Mohammed Atta look twice.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:24:19 PM

@JonDrama - all good calls.

@BigUnit - YES Bale is the best Bruce Wayne to date. But that still isn't saying much. ALL the past BW's sucked farts out of dead cows. But yes, he is the best so far.

And Mink is right. BW just up and disappeared in TDK (could have used Gary f*cking Coleman as his stand-in and no one would have noticed).

@Mink - worst movie ever? Jesus man... there's a new thread (Alex? ALEX?!?!). ANY RoboCop sequel. And you think SSTrooper 2 is bad?! Have you seen the 3rd. one?! f*ck me!!!!!



TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:24:34 PM

Well it was good chatting with you folks. Off to class for 3 hours. Watching another silent film in the movie theater my school owns. We watched The Kid Brother last week (Film History Class), gotta love that film. Adios!
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:25:36 PM

Or when he breaks into a home and murders the old couple lying in bed and lays down amongst their dead bodies. AND THAT'S RECENT! LOL okay okay bye!
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:27:23 PM

@Mink - I have NO doubt the graphic novels are the sh*t when they do The Joker. I mean, same as Spawn for Todd. Thank God HBO did a fab. Spawn series true(r) to the graphic novels. Blood and guts everywhere. But you're throwing oranges into our applesauce. We're comparing The Joker with Jokers of the past (on the big and little screen). Graphic novels is another league. If they made a REAL Batman... it would be so R-Rated... they'd give EVERYONE a Bat-Bag to vomit in during the movie for all the violence. And Hollywood won't do that and cut out all the teenagers and their disposable $'s. You know it, and I know it.
AJWPProfile writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:27:42 PM

I agree with Training Day in the original article but I was really pulling for "Milk" or "Frost/Nixon" to win last year Even "Benjamin Button" would be nice.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:28:02 PM

Ranger, you did see Starship Troopers 2, right? It looks like it was made by a pack of wild children and a 1970's camcorder!
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:29:17 PM

Honestly... if I have seen it. I've blocked it out. So let's just leave that bandaged wound alone Mink. SST3... ummm yeah. Puke!
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:30:57 PM

"If they made a REAL Batman... it would be so R-Rated... they'd give EVERYONE a Bat-Bag to vomit in during the movie for all the violence. "

That's what I want to see! f*ck the Pg-13 sh*t, give me the hard core real deal. I want to see him rape and pillage. I want to make him as vile and insane and evil as possible without throwing in a Satan cameo. Not this glorified Hezbollah terrorist stuff. Make him a genuine monster.

Hll, I like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjp0I_okX0w

better.
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:38:30 PM

"Well, considering I'm the only one saying anything 'negative' regarding TDK and Ledger, it was implied, for me anyway, you were referring to me indirectly. My humble apologies TDK."

Well, know.. Im saying negative things... I thought that as good as it could have been, they failed in a lot of departments... It wasn't anywhere near as good as Batman Begins and batman begins got snubbed over hype and oscars... and honestly the only thing comparable to the dark knight getting nominated for best picture would be rocky getting nominated or star wars... Just because it was a good movie doesn't make it oscar worthy.... i mean honestly if we're going to shell out oscars to enormous cliche driven piles of blockbuster crap, where spidermans best pic nod, or ironmans best pic nod? explain to me the f*cking difference?...

Bah whatever... TDK was good but not oscar worthy in any way, it was too campy.. and the acting other than ledger and Oldman was mediocre and terrible at times... f*cking aaron eckhart sucked my balls in tdk...
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:40:52 PM

know = no.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:46:17 PM

Good link Mink.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:55:33 PM

I like it Ranger, and I hope you did too.

Triggax: I agree with ya', but I've got to go change the friggin' oil, so I can't respond. Defintely good comments there.
SpydrMonkeyakaSPF writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:55:53 PM

Oscars are rigged. I never watch and could care less.
Gaudion93 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:58:44 PM

Sorry i just want to weigh in on this TDK debate. Mink you say there wasen't much hype for the movie before Ledger's death? Aren't you forgetting the brilliant viral campaign launched online in the build up to the movie. The best viral campaign to date. I also think TDK is the best Batman movie, but there have been better movies in recent years, The Wrestler for instance. And it is restricted by the PG-13 rating as demonstrated by some strange edits and the fact the Joker isn't as f*cked up as you would want him to be.

And at the Rocky argument, Rocky deserved to win it hands down huge fan! A brilliant film with a big heart!
PrevalentMind writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 2:59:03 PM

Why are we touching this "get bitched at" thread. What a great setup for argument's sake.

Pulp Fiction won the Palme D'or so cry me a f*cking river. Forrest Gump was a masterpiece of imagination and Network will be remembered always for a memorable performance while every element of Rocky's production was absolutely spectacular and memorable for every second.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:02:42 PM

One of the neatest things about Rocky...

Filmed in 28 days!
PrevalentMind writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:03:26 PM

You walk out of Rocky with the music, the lines, the characters, and the story thick and fresh in your mind. Rocky kicked Network's ass and it deserved to. It's just as much a classic if not more than Taxi Driver...

the violence and grit act doesn't necessarily HAVE to win out every time over PG material.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:07:52 PM

"Sorry i just want to weigh in on this TDK debate. Mink you say there wasen't much hype for the movie before Ledger's death? Aren't you forgetting the brilliant viral campaign launched online in the build up to the movie. The best viral campaign to date."

I said, and later clarified, that the marketing for TDK was NOT in excess of the hype emplyed for similar large budget summer blockbuster films.

And you do realize that by heaping up the hype, you're essentially saying that TDK scored so well, not because the film deserved it, but because the hype overwhelmed movie viewers. You're saying TDK suceeded because it brainwashed people, using marketing hype, into seeing the film.

So by embracing, and perhaps exaggerating, TDKs hype, you're detracting and subtracting from the film's inherent worth. If I were you, if I was a perhaps somewhat fanatical TDK fan, I would *downplay* the hype, so as to place more of TDKs success on the film's innate worth and Ledger's supposedly legendary performance.

You're hurting the film, not helping it. Paradoxically, I'm doing the opposite.

And still, I witnessed no substantially *excessive* amount of TDK hype, certainly not nearly as much as The Phantom Menace for example.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:08:48 PM

@PM:

Hell yeah! Rocky owned.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:09:11 PM

C'mon, guys, enough with the bickering! We can all agree that the biggest Oscar travesty was when "Soul Plane" lost the award for Best Picture to "Million Dollar Baby" back in 2005. I still haven't recovered from that upset.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:12:54 PM

No bickering here, c-prime, just discussion. We're not little old ladies knitting doilies.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:14:21 PM

Oh, I know. Just said it to set up the joke is all.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:15:44 PM

And when "The Love Guru" beat out "Disaster Movie", I almost cried.

Oh, wait, I'm thinking about the Razzies.
PrevalentMind writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:16:05 PM

I'd REALLY love to mention the English Patient here...

...but I've come to terms with the fact that this MUST be the ONE film I just don't get. People jabber on about how good it is and I simply don't find it daring, entertaining, or insightful in any way. I've tried to repect it while not appreciating it like I do for some other films I don't share a like for- but damn I just hate that f*cking movie. I've watched it 3 times wondering what the fuss was about.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:16:17 PM

Oh, ok, yeah, I see that.
PrevalentMind writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:18:29 PM

It actually beat out Fargo(!), Jerry Macguire, AND Shine...

I really just dont get it.
murphyslaw93 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:20:37 PM

Alright I'm gonna go completely against the WP guy and say that Forrest Gump was the appropriate winner of that year, the film is a masterpiece, as are the other noms that year, but Forrest Gump was the best easy. Taxi Driver is awful, so anything could have beaten it and deserved it. Crash is unbelievable, one of my favorite films, Brokeback Mountain didnt stand a chance.

Judd Apatow not being nominated for his Knocked Up screenplay, Mickey Rourke losing to Sean Penn, Samuel L. Jackson losing to the (still amazing, but not as good) Martin Landau, Goodfellas not winning best picture..period, Chicago beating The Pianist and Mystic River and House of Sand and Fog (which wasnt nominated but deserved it undeniably).

Huge injustice: A Clockwork Orange losing to The French Connection and Stanley Kubrick losing to William Freidkin. French Connection is a mildly entertaining New York crime drama with just angry characters and grimy sets. I found nothing of value in that film other than maybe Gene Hackman flipping sh*ts every five seconds, but A Clockwork Orange is my favorite movie of all time and, though I may be a bit biased, it deserved that Oscar more than anything.

No noms for Fight Club, Se7en, The Dark Knight, In Bruges (sans Best Original Screenplay which is should have won), or HEAT! Heat is one of the greatest movies ever, best cop drama easy, and not a single nomination!

Assasination of Jesse James scrapes two nominations (when it was deserving of about 8) and Zodiac was completely forgotten. Christopher Nolan's better films not even acknowledged, Memento and the Prestige surpass Dark Knight which is amazing by itself.

No directing noms for Darren Aronofsky? or Kevin Smith? or Frank Darabont?

The English Patient beating Fargo, Titanic winning over L.A. Confidential, and of course, Saving Private Ryan losing to f*ckin Shakespeare in Love.

And despite All About Eve being amazing, I always thought Sunset Blvd. was more deserving, but other than that, practically no snubs or f*ck ups prior to 1960......other than The Wizard of Oz losing to Gone With The Wind.
murphyslaw93 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:28:43 PM

And Ralph Fiennes obviously, somehow losing to Tommy Lee Jones. I mean I love Tommy Lee Jones and had it been any other year I would have been all for the guy, but Amon Goeth is one of the scariest people I've ever seen on film, easily one of the top 3 villains of all time. Truly f*ckin scary. He's done spectacular roles since then, but Amon Goeth is still my favorite role of his in my opinion, his loss is despicable
TeemSelami writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:31:20 PM

slumdog sucked a fat one.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:38:20 PM

"...'Training Day', the film that pretended that Washington was the lead instead of Ethan Hawke."

WP, I've heard your argument a million times before. Yeah, Hawke is in "Training Day" more. But the truth of the matter is that when it comes to promoting the film, Denzel's name is gonna get a lot more asses in seats than Hawke's is. They aren't really concerned with which character has the bigger part, they're operating on the "star system." If they need to give Ethan second-billing and a nod for Supporting Actor to sell more tickets, then so be it. Warner Bros. wanted to put out a financially-successful movie and they did - the critical acclaim that movie received was a just serendipitous byproduct. I agree, Hawke did have a bigger part and performed every bit as well as Washington, but Washington gets the recognition because it was a drastic deviation from his conventional parts and, moreover, because he's just a bigger star. It's simple Hollywood politics. Will Smith got billing over Matt Damon in "The Legend of Bagger Vance" and Tommy Lee Jones got billing over Javier Bardem in "No Country". Why? Well, few Smith movies don't break the $100 million mark at the box office and Matt Damon wasn't "Jason Bourne" yet to boot. As for the latter, Bardem didn't become a star UNTIL "No Country". Jones, on the other hand, has been in films for some forty years. (I consider it an accomplishment that Bardem got billing over Josh Brolin in that film. Sure, Brolin didn't get huge either until a few flicks ago, but he's been around for a pretty good while.) Does it matter that actor with the bigger part doesn't get first recognition? No. It certainly doesn't mean their contribution to the film was any less vital either. It's that Hollywood, more than anything, is concerned with making the most lucrative movies they possibly can. Money > Critical Acclaim
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:40:03 PM

And my parents bitch about Crowe losing out that year all the time, too. Looking back on the performances up for the prize eight years ago, I probably woulda voted for Sean Penn for "I Am Sam".
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:46:03 PM

@murphyslaw - I agree with you on Jessee James - trivia: Ranger wasn't in it because 'he was too pretty' (true story). Ugh!

And: 'Saving Private Ryan losing to f*ckin Shakespeare in Love.' - I know... let's not go there.

@c-prime - you're right. Penn in I am Sam was his usual STELLAR (hard to believe an actor can be that good! But I said to my friends when Fast Times came out that he was going to be huge!).
Rich k writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:50:25 PM

Has anyone here even seen slumdog millionaire? and if you have is it even good?
SpookyCupcakes writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:50:59 PM

Titanic.
SpookyCupcakes writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:51:16 PM

Oh and Slumdog.
MYVAGHURTZ writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:59:42 PM

The problem with rewarding a movie with an Oscar is that it never gets a shot to stand the test of time. I'm sure all of us were rooting for a certain movie to win but as time passes and that new car smell wears off you think to yourself why the hell did I want that movie to win? The only other option to declare a true winner would be the hold a vote in which the public decides and not members of the academy on what film deserves what merit, but that's a double edged sword all in itself because then you would have garbage flicks like transformers 2 or G.I Joe in for best picture and Ledouche in for best actor or Lohan tagged as the next Meryl Streep. At the end of the day its all opinion like in 82 when Ghandi beat out E.T. lets be honest we all know which one shows up in more dvd collections.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 3:59:44 PM

@TeemSelami - lol. Best post on this thread (seriously)!
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:00:39 PM

@MYVAGHURTZ - Lohan lost her 'new car smell' back when she was 11.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:01:21 PM

Al Pacino winning for Scent of A Women. Everyone knows Denzel Wahington should of won for Malcolm x. I think worstpreviews should keep their opinions to themselves. I think Denzel Washingtons performance in Training Day was well deserved. Nobody even talks about A BEAUTIFUL MIND any more. The oscars is very racist anyway.
masKritic writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:03:35 PM

Robert Downey Jr shouldve won for Chaplin but instead Pacino won
kmurg writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:10:43 PM

Mink I know this is off topic but you look like a young Johnny Drama. And that is in the utmost respect.
thebreach writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:11:12 PM

"cinderella man"... i'm surprised it didn't win anything and that it wasn't nominated for best actor, actress, and best picture
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:11:24 PM

@papajohn4169:

You believe the most liberal people on the entire planet are racist?
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:15:30 PM

"Mink I know this is off topic but you look like a young Johnny Drama. And that is in the utmost respect."

Umm, ok. Thanks. I think. Or not? Well, it beats looking like an old Tom Arnold. Right? Right??
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:24:43 PM

'...it beats looking like an old Tom Arnold...'

It beats looking like Tom Arnold at ANY age!
dianehussman writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:40:14 PM

One that hasn't been mentioned is the 2004 Academy Awards, and it's lack of even including Sean Astin in Best Supporting Actor for Return of the King and even Tom Cruise not being nominated for The Last Samurai. Sure LOTR: ROTK won 11 Academy Awards (all that it was nominated for) but they did not receive a single acting nod in the series except for Ian McKellen in Fellowship of the Ring.
tubbtubbs writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:42:28 PM

mink all that you're doing is playing devils advocate, i mean this with as much respect as possible. Shut the f*ck up, every single person is entitled to his or her opinion, if i like forrest gump, let me like it, at the very least dont say, "forrest gump sucked" just say well I didnt likeforrest gump for buddah's sake, please.
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:44:33 PM

You know what film got snubbed altogether that always pissed me off... The Majestic.

I f*cking loved that movie...

ALSO every single Michael Mann film ever made should have won Best Picture... simple as that.

Last of the mohicans got ONE oscar nod... A f*cking oscar for SOUND... WTF...
What about Heat? Not one single nomination... f*cking horse sh*t..

How about this.. As much as I loved Adrien Brody in the pianist.. his role was pale in comparison to that of Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs of New York...

Regardless back to the topic at hand "What was the Worst Film to Win an Oscar?"

Crash, by far. Brokeback mountain SHOULDN'T have won the oscar no... it should have been f*cking MUNICH, and you can take that to the bank... Munich was f*cking bad ass..


Blank x2 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:46:08 PM

Saving Private Ryan losing to Shakespeare in Love still haunts my dreams.
T.S. writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 4:57:25 PM

If anyone is sifting through the bullsh*t comments I have one that kind of pertains to the topic. Of the films released thus far this year, does the Academy make up for the Pulp Fiction snubs this year with Inglorious Basterds? Obviously Pulp Fiction had a heavy amount of nominations but only a win for best original. Jackson,Thurman,Travolta, and Tarantino were all nominated. Thoughts?
Eben1277 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:05:33 PM

Titanic winning Best Picture over LA Confidential. I call Serious Bullsh*t!
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:11:40 PM

Another post and run from some nameless person. And I try so hard to be nice. Don't I?

"mink all that you're doing is playing devils advocate"

No, I'm expressing my genuine opinion. But thanks for the free palm reading and telepathy session. It was free, right?

"i mean this with as much respect as possible."

No you don't.

"Shut the f*ck up"

No.

"every single person is entitled to his or her opinion"

No sh*t? Really? I though I had to share my opinion with Alphoso the IV of Monaco.

"if i like forrest gump, let me like it"

You're allowed to like whatever you like, and I'm allowed to NOT like it. How's that for equality? Shocker, isn't it?

"at the very least dont say, "forrest gump sucked""

Forrest Gump sucked. It still sucks. It sucks so f*cking bad, it makes the eyes of Christ water.

Of course, I posted *six* paragraphs on Gump, well beyond the 'it sucked' declaration, but you didn't bother reading that did you?

"just say well I didnt likeforrest gump for buddah's sake, please."

No, it f*cking sucked. I hated it. It's a film for mentally menstruating *ssholes such as yourself.

And see, this is why it doesn't pay to play nice. You have genuine imbeciles, and I say that truthfully, not as a casual insult, that don't read what you type. They see you opine a strong thought, an opinion on one of their tin gods, and their tiny squirrel brains go into nutcracker action.
thedotsays writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:16:52 PM

For all the Academy does get wrong, it does get hings right from time to time. The Last Emperor, Unforgiven, The Silence of The Lambs.

But yes, there are still tragedies. Like when Rain Man beat out Mississippi Burning.
thedotsays writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:19:44 PM

Although the year Unforgiven won, I was amazed Malcolm X didn't even get nominated.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:28:06 PM

triggax i know we have had words in the past but we are on the same page about alot of things... the fact that Michael Mann doesn't have a room full of little gold dudes is a shame

good thing he does have a sh*t load of respect
Gaudion93 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:35:50 PM

Well said Mink, I actually agree with you there, I don't mean to undermine the film as I am one of the many people who love TDK. Makes you wonder how the film would have done in different circ*mstances.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:44:27 PM

minkowski your going to me on a comment i made.congratulations you know my life story. if you say al pacino deserved that award you and your grandmother are retards and racist yourselves.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:46:18 PM

Al Pacino should have won. And he did. Yes!
vaodsi writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:50:34 PM

"and their tiny squirrel brains go into nut cracker action".... dude mink, i didn't agree with anything you said but that was freaking poetry. well said man.
anyhow i thought joaquin pheonix (despite the level of sc*m he is currently aspiring to elevate himself to) deserved best actor for johnny cash... Hoffman as capote was brilliant as well... but come on.. i think toby jones played him better in infamous and he didn't even get nominated. OH AND TOBY JONES should totally be the penguin in batman 3.
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:50:36 PM

"For all the Academy does get wrong, it does get hings right from time to time. The Last Emperor, Unforgiven, The Silence of The Lambs."

@thedotsays- The Last Emperor was awesome, unforgiven was spectacular... BUT I never understood why Silence of the Lambs won best picture...? Yeah, it was a f*cking excellent movie.. but.. Up against JFK or Bugsy.. was it really THAT good? Maybe against Bugsy but.. It had nothing on JFK and thats a shame..
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:52:32 PM

"i think toby jones played him better in infamous"

Agreed, I could barely stand to watch Capote because of Hoffman over acting.. Jones played it with more reserve, making it better.
White Noise writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:53:36 PM

I know im repeating a lot of people but im just expressing my opinon. Saving Private Ryan is one of the top 5 films of all time and shouldn't have lost to any movie that has ever come out after it. Shawshank should have beat Gump.
J_e_f writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:54:18 PM

Revolutionary Road was snubbed in so many categories. Such a stunning movie and yet so little recognition.
I enjoyed Slumdog Millionaire, but I have no idea why it received so many Oscars.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:54:42 PM

@vaodsi :

Thanks, but you should know I was just f*cking with him on Gump. I actually liked the film, it just didn't deserve an all the praise and awards.

So, again, what I said to him in that post was just a retort. He told me not to say Gump sucks, which I hadn't said up till that point, so I threw it back in his face.
mustardayonnaise writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:56:26 PM

Forrest Gump actually holds up REMARKABLY WELL, I watched it recently and was suprised at how much I enjoyed it. dunno if I could say the same for Pulp Fiction, but yes, I did like Shawshank too.

Benjamin button didn't deserve any academy awards, it was sh*t.

everyone has AIDS
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 5:59:47 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
f*ck ME....
HAHA
vaodsi writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:01:38 PM

haha... awesome.

but DUDE the worst ever (well not THE worst. but yeah) was just a couple years back when THE GOLDEN COMPASS WON best visual effects over pirates 3 and i think transfromers. now i HATED pirates 3 with a burning passion but come on! The golden compass had effects on par with the terrible narnia prince caspian. They were ok... but not great. you knew they were special effects. At least davey jones looked more convincing than kidman's evil red monkey spirit. and then Narania 1 got nominated while revenge of the sith got snubbed (even though i wasn't into either movies.. sith should have got a nomination.)
bacci40 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:12:24 PM

this is ez...

kramer vs kramer sweeping all the major awards, beating out apocolypse now, all that jazz, breaking away and norma rae

79 was a great year for movies...kramer vs kramer was not a great movie...it was a f*cking tv movie of the week
mdp711 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:13:50 PM

@mink... Click on your "Change Avatar" option and a whole new world of WP opens up, including WP email.
Bigwoody84 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:28:09 PM

I'll probably get bashed for this but I thought the assasination of Jesse James should have won something, I don't think it was even nominated for anything come to think of it, and Pitt and affleck deserved to win something
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:35:04 PM

Jesse James was nominated for Best Supporting and best cinematography... Which is shouldn't have won either, which it didn't... Which is good...
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:36:08 PM

How "12 Monkeys" didn't at least receive a NOD for best picture is simply unforgivable. And "Babe" DID that year?! What the f*ck is that?! I mean, yeah, it's a good movie, but Best Picture?! Did the Oscars mix up their ballots with the Kids Choice Awards' that year or something?
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:40:26 PM

minkowski what ever the f*ck your name is you have officially prove to me that your not only a full time retard you don't know sh*t about great acting or films. Your a racist go suck your grandmothers d*ck and your mothers ass juice. Al Pacino deserved to win you must be outta your dumbass brain
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:40:47 PM

Oh, and "Apocalypse Now". Somebody explain to me how that masterwork got snubbed for Best...well, everything.
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:42:29 PM

How about True Romance not getting nominated for a f*cking thing... THATS a f*cking shame..
Bigwoody84 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:44:14 PM

@triggax u probably hate me, cos I've partly just been writing on here to piss people off!! But hey I respect what u say man, and if I saw u I'd get the biggest high five ever, heat is a belter of a film, one of the best! Did it not win anything???
pomme writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:46:45 PM

"slumdog millionnaire" winning and no nod for "dark knight" and "wall-e"
no nod for "requiem for a dream "or "fight club" or "memento" or "the prestige"
"shakespierre in love ","crash" wining
gimple writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:48:01 PM

How about that piece of sh*t called Juno?
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:48:24 PM

BigWoody has admitted to just being a sh*t-disturber... but he's a good egg.

Of the movies listed... Shakespeare beating out Saving Private Ryan gives me the runs over anything else, I'd have to say.

Also, Oscars aside, I've always thought The Outlaw Josey Wales was a better movie than Unforgiven. I (honestly) think they lavished the awards on the latter because every year they think is Clint's last. Hell... the man is just hitting his stride these days.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:51:03 PM

ANYone naming movies with Brad Pitt attached... know the Academy hates his youth (well, he's successful for his age) and success. Benjamin Button had to get a nod because it was obvious, and they'd even look dumber having overlooked it. But they'll wait 'til Brad is 100, and give him the Lifetime Achievement Oscar.

They did that with Henry Fonda for 'On Golden Pond'... a fine movie to be sure, but not his best work.

f*cking Oscars! No... the Oscar gets Actor pay-raises. f*ck 'The Academy' and every jealous loser that sits on it!
Bigwoody84 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:54:01 PM

@ranger- your a legend man, I respect your knowledge of films, bit off the cuff this one, but obviously I doesn't deserve awards but I love billy bob thorntons performance in bad Santa it cracks me up!!
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:56:27 PM

I'm just glad Al Pacino won with his 'Scent of a Woman'. Great film.
Bigwoody84 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 6:59:02 PM

Sorry my last post meant to say " it obviously doesn't deserve to win awards but I liked billy bob thorntons performance in bad Santa" trying to type on a bloody iPhone gets annoying!!!
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:00:27 PM

@BW - Bad Santa AND the Bad News Bears I liked a LOT! BB is so laid back, I swear that guy wouldn't wake up in the middle of the night if his house was on fire to piss on it. Plus he's 'known' Angelina... and that's just icing on the cake!

If ANYone is a Billy-Bob fan and hasn't (yet) checked out SingBlade... now THAT's a performance!
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:06:13 PM

Uh, papajohn4169, if that is YOUR real name, how in the f*ck is minkowski a racist? Because he thinks Pacino should win? Uh, well, for one, it's his f*cking opinion and secondly, he did, in fact, win. What about that remark is racist? Is it because he prizes the acting of an Italian guy above every other minority actor that was up for the award that year (including a black guy and an Irishman)? Get the f*ck outta here! Everybody on this f*cking site takes stabs at people of all creeds and denominations. (Take a peek at the "Jedi Accuses Supermarket of Discrimination" thread.) We've all taken a few shots on the chin (you probably in more ways than others, what with having an abusive, bi-curious stepfather and all). If you wanna expound on the the reasons why the movies you think are great without having being exposed to differing opinions, than start a f*cking public access review program, ya f*cking rube. It can be called "Papajohn4169's Southern-Fried Guide to Good Ol' Fashiony Cinema". That way, you can spend all the time you want on the moving picture doohickey preaching why "Witless Protection" is the greatest film since "Larry the Cable Guy: Health Inspector". And in your own isolated, philistine, parochial c*m stain of town no less, away from the open, advancing, and less intolerant sectors of the world.

Hey, and while you're at it, see if the REAL Papa John's will sponsor your show! The advertising practically writes itself!
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:11:03 PM

lol.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:13:37 PM

Yeah... we rocked that Jedi thread!
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:14:24 PM

Probably pissed off Alex to high-hell at the same time (and/or he laughed his ass off) - pretty sure it wasn't the first (or last) time.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:18:44 PM

C'mon, Ranger, the whole reason he posted this article was to rake up some strife and look what's happened so far. Deep down, I think he thrives on these arguments. I know I do.
Bigwoody84 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:20:41 PM

I think the guy is a legend- but how the hell did clooney win best supporting actor for syriana (not sure that spelt right) I mean he was ok, nothing special, also I think it's a crime Ed norton didn't win anything for American history x!! I'm a nut job in that!!!! Also I hope one day sam rockwell gets recognised for his talents
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:25:24 PM

"Uh, papajohn4169, if that is YOUR real name, how in the f*ck is minkowski a racist? Because he thinks Pacino should win? Uh, well, for one, it's his f*cking opinion and secondly, he did, in fact, win. What about that remark is racist?"

C-prime, thanks for the defense, but I was just screwing with him. He said I was racist if I thought Pacino should've won over Washington.

Now, personally, I think Pacino's always awesome, even she he's not. I love Washington, but I think a case can be made for Pacino that year. Regardless, I ONLY made my pro-Pacino post AFTER he said I was a racist, just to put sand in his vagina.

Again, thanks for your defense, but I think people are missing the fact that I slammed Gump and rooted for Pacino ONLY to raise the ire of some troublemakers that can't handle someone disagreeing with them.

And I wish I could add some Oscar picks on some great films. But, and I know you're saddened by my absence, I'm still changing the f*cking oil. Five hours later. Drain plug is rusted solid. lol.

Anyway, just checking in.

Oh, and what about Hugh Jackman. The guy has had some terrific films. And off on a limb, but Hugo Weaving was reeally good in The Interview.

Anyway...
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 7:37:05 PM

@c-prime - I agree... Alex = head-shake + laughing his ass off (we hope).
SpookyCupcakes writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 8:12:55 PM

Alex, I demand more of these "discuss" threads, look how much traffic you're getting!
Jergyn writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 8:23:13 PM

Titanic didn't deserve so much. Totally over-rated
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 8:52:22 PM

c prime and minkowski i said the oscars are racist and i stand behind it. Out of the 81 years the oscars has been around you mean to tell me 11 black actors are good enough to receive an award please. And only 4 have won for best acting. others were for supporting roles. city of god everyone knows is a great movie it receives alot of awards and is listed number 3 on the greatest movies of this decade. But when comes oscar time they all of a sudden lose in it's category you gotta be kidding me. Eddie Murphy wins an SAG award and a golden globe but come oscar time he magicially loses f*ck outta here with that sh*t. I would have been happy if everyone else nominated in his category would have won. But Alan Arkin please. The Color Purple wins all these awards but come oscar time what happens they lose out on 11 nominations. Loses best picture to Out of Africa who the f*ck remembers that movie. Lawrence Fishburne, Angela bassett, Don chadle, Will Smith, James Earl Jones, ossie Davis, just to name a few are good actors who should not be oscar-less. When black people when oscars it's for something stupid. For being broke, stupid, or retarded. As far as the Denzel Washington Al pacino comments c-prime and minkowski and who ever else has a problem with i just wrote can eat a d*ck. People on here don't know anything about movies. Only people who are in the publics good graces or just popular at the time always win the oscar for something they know they didn't deserve. And vortep i argee ralph fiennes should have gotten the oscar for Schindler's List
Mr. Vengeance writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:16:16 PM

I'm glad Joe Pesci won for Goodfellas because his performance in that movie is incredible. He's a tiny guy but eons more ferocious than DeNiro in that film. Favorite movie of all time. The fact that it didn't get best picture kills me, but Nick Pileggi's screenplay won. Good enough for me.

- Clint Eastwood not winning best actor for "Unforgiven" is ridiculous

- "Heat" not getting any nominations=retarded.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:18:32 PM

"People on here don't know anything about movies."

Because we're not obsessed with the color of the Oscar winners? So, if I become obsessed with skin color, will that make me a cinephile?

From the mouth of Denzel Washington, regarding Oscar racism:

"I don't put too much into that. The year I was up for Malcolm X (1992), AL PACINO won for Scent of a Woman (1992). He had been nominated eight times. If he had lost, what would he have blamed it on? I've been nominated four times and I won once, so who would Pacino blame had he lost?"
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:18:48 PM

c-prime you wanna f*ck with me i'll found out where your grandmother lives bitch. i'm not a little kid u wanna f*ck with me you gonna be digging your own grave play the punk games with some one who has a p*ssy between their legs don't play them with me. watch the sh*t that that comes out your mouth next time iight f*ck wrong with you LITTLE BOY. I'm very go with computers.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:21:20 PM

minkowski yuor reply had nothing to do with what i wrote. I wrote all of that and thats your only comment. Comment on what i wrote about the oscars and stop talking sh*t to me.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:25:15 PM

Did you say something? All I read was racist whining from a piece of sh*t gangbanging street turd. Loser faggot.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:27:18 PM

Are you even literate? How can I agrue with an uneducated ignorant piece of trash like you? Huh?
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:30:00 PM

your grandmothers a street turd and for your info of been an construction engineer for 3 years moron. get a life and a job your on this website 24/7. your mothers racist and you proved your racist for what you just said moron. who's trapping who?
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:30:15 PM

You spent 500 words whining about how the Oscars are racist. I tossed out a quote by Denzel where he disagrees with you, and he's black. I mean, do you have something to say? Because we aren't here to defend the Oscars from your charges of racism. Do something constructive, if you can. Contribute more than just p*ssy complaining.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:32:32 PM

What the hell is construction engineer? You're eighteen. What railways, bridges and roads have you designed? Please name a few of your projects. Point me to your portfolio. What firm do you work for again?

Or are you just one of those guys laying concrete and playing musical chairs with orange cones?
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:33:50 PM

So you got a degree in contruction engineering when you were 15? Which university did you go to?
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:38:50 PM

Well, I'm waiting.
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:45:41 PM

Mink, don't f*ck with him.. Hes very GO with computers...

Papajohn.. As a black man, what you've said in your last dozen posts, if you weren't black, i would smack the sh*t out of you... f*cking ignorant retard... I love white people piping up for the sake of the black race THAT sh*t if offensive you little prick f*ck.

And f*ck denzel... Pacino DID deserve the oscar... f*cking losing out all those years before... f*ck you man.. idiot.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:45:46 PM

moron i put 18 because it's none of anyones business to know my age im not here for a relationship c*cksucker. for your info im 27. I went to Boise state university with your grandmother. I use to gang bang with your uncle faggat. When i said you were racist your already proving it dumbass d*ckboy
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:49:55 PM

triggax your not black your not going smack anyone because your not that stupid and brave to try that dumb sh*t with me.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:51:17 PM

So, again, what have you designed? What firm do you work for currently? Where's your portfolio? I'm just wondering. Because you sound like an idiot.

So, you're go with computers, right? So what's my ip address? If you can pony up my IP I'll..I'll dom something. Dunno what it would be. But I'll do something. So, what's my ip address?
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:59:17 PM

Yeah one would imagine that a university graduate engineer would have some concept of, sentence structure, spelling, punctuation, grammar etc...

You sound like an uneducated little moron.

It makes no difference whether im black or white. The blaring truth here, is that, YOU are completely f*cking retarded and YOU are the racist f*cking moron. Good luck with this tirade f*ck head.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:59:31 PM

papajohn4169, are you Spike Lee?

In all seriousness though, yeah, I've acknowledged many of the "injustices" you've brought up and I think I can come with a reason to refute you on almost all accounts

1) "The Color Purple" Losing to "Out of Africa": You sound just like my father. He brings up that year all the time as one of the biggest outrages in cinema becuase he hates, hates, hates "Out of Africa" (and Meryl Streep is his favorite actress). I haven't seen it, so I can't judge. Yes, "The Color Purple" was nominated for several Oscars and came up empty on every one. Well, poo. Like I said already, the Academy made up for it in a stealthy kinda way when they awarded Whoopi Goldberg Best Supporting Actress for "Ghost". I'll repeat that: "Ghost". Do you (nay, does anybody) believe she honestly deserved the Oscar for that flick? No. It was just Hollywood's underhanded way of making amends, which for Whoopi, is better than nothing, I guess.

2) Eddie Murphy getting beaten by Alan Arkin: I can answer this in one word: "Norbit". If Murphy hadn't made that contemptible piece of sh*t, he may have very well won that award. I didn't see "Dreamgirls" either. I saw clips of Eddie in it and, I must say, it looked like a return to form. (Unlike many people, I'm actually a fan of Murphy's [gasp!] and am patiently waiting for him to do something, anything that harkens back to his days as a comedy superstar.) My grandparents did, however, and they said he did not because he wasn't in it enough. I'll take their word for it. I did see "Little Miss Sunshine". It was good: not as funny as I hoped, but well acted. Now, did Arkin deserved the Oscar. Well, no. He wasn't in that film very much either. Plus, he's been rehashing that ornery, cantankerous granddad role in his last couple of movies. But (and I can't stress this part enough), Arkin didn't make a "Norbit". It's as simple as that. If he had, neither one of them would have won. Just because you win a Globe and a SAG Award doesn't entitle you to an Oscar. Look back at this years' Oscars: Mickey Rourke came up empty-handed, despite winning the Golden Globe. Or go back over a decade to '96 with one of my favorite flicks, "Twelve Monkeys": Brad Pitt won a Golden Globe for his stellar performance, but no Oscar. This is probably a hard concept for you to accept, but life's filled with deviations from tradition and consistency now and again. Why, take a look at our "beloved" president.

You're such an elitist. You take this convenient method of dissent where if somebody you like doesn't earn the public recognition he or she "so richly deserves," you cry foul and cite bigotry as the rationale for the occurrence. And the powers that be, in an effort to protect their hegemony, concede to your bullsh*t claims. I f*cking despise people like you. There are people I want to win stuff all the time, but just because they don't doesn't mean I'm gonna protest them over some HUNCH that prejudice was the culprit. I look at the facts, then I form my opinion. You, on the other hand, like to jump to conclusions. Yeah, people like Will Smith, Terrance Howard, and Don Cheadle haven't won Oscars yet. Christ, neither have countless other actors (black and white), you f*cking twit! I was waiting what seemed like an eternity for Kate Winslet to finally win big! Trust me, those guys are gonna star in a whole lot more movies and get the chance to speak at the podium again, so don't you worry your empty, nutty head. To hell with you and your damn conspiracy theories. You're part of the problem, not the solution. You're so quick to write off the incidents of blacks failing to win Oscars, yet you don't even consider all the other ethnic (I reluctantly use that word) nominees that walk away with nothing. Salma Hayek, Ken Watanabe, Mako? What about those people, jackass?! Come off your f*cking pedastal, you f*cking boob - you're just using it to gain some stature in a grown man's debate. You're a big d*ck figuratively with a puny d*ck literally. Do some introspective thinking (oh, wait, that would require a brain) and stop uttering the opinions of Kanye West, Al Sharpton, and all these other dipsh*t apologists that "know" what it takes for the black man to rise up and overcome.

And for the record, I am a black person and I firmly and openly endorse all the things I stated in the previous paragraphs. How's that for a bombshell, papajohn? Did I just blow your puny, virtually nonexistent mind?
triggax writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:01:18 PM

"because your not that stupid and brave to try that dumb sh*t with me."

What are you gonna do? Text me to death? Stab me with you 7 key.. f*cking kid.
It's the internet numb nuts, im surprised your p*ssy little ass had the f*cking time away from his granny tranny porn to even post here.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:04:31 PM

i help build dams, railroads, and buildings. i work for Mass. Electric Construction Co moron. so what do you do all day with your life besides your activities in the KKK.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:06:41 PM

c prime im spike lee's father. all you did was repeat everthing i said. and your not black
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:08:44 PM

triggax your the one who said your going to slap the sh*t outta someone how the f*ck are you gonna do that. and besides working i your your grandmothers tranny porn alright shes my favorite c*cksucking porn star
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:09:23 PM

"c-prime you wanna f*ck with me i'll found out where your grandmother lives bitch. i'm not a little kid u wanna f*ck with me you gonna be digging your own grave play the punk games with some one who has a p*ssy between their legs don't play them with me. watch the sh*t that that comes out your mouth next time iight f*ck wrong with you LITTLE BOY. I'm very go with computers."

Oh, Jesus, I wish I had seen that before I posted my previous comment. Oh, no, I'm so frightened. Help me, I'm being targeted by what I can only assume is a pizza-delivery boy. Go f*ck yourself, you overreactive prick. You wanna rumble with me? Well, al-f*ckin'-right. I'll never turn down a fight. You just make the arrangements. Wherever, whenever you like and I will be there like your fugly sister handcuffed to a cheap motel bed to lay down the hammer. I will change your life, bitch.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:10:01 PM

triggax your the one who said your going to slap the sh*t outta someone how the f*ck are you gonna do that. and besides working i watch your grandmothers tranny porn alright shes my favorite c*cksucking porn star
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:10:13 PM

You help 'build'. So what have you designed? Specifically. And what's my IP address, *sshole? You're go with computers, so where do I live? Specifically. Come on, put up or f*cking shutup, you d*ckless wonder.

Well, it looks like C-prime trashed you like K-Feds liver. Nothing for me to add. I freely admit I don't know much about the SAG, GG or the Oscars. I just don't follow that kind of stuff much. I watch films and follow projects.

So kudos to c-prime for obliterating your tired little racist antics with good facts.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:11:25 PM

i'll argue with all 3 of you fags till the end of the world. well until 6:00 in the morning i have work. im not on here 24/7 like you fags and black wannabes
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:13:30 PM

are you a f*cking moron i just told you what i do what do you do besides suck my d*ck for a living
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:14:23 PM

c-prime can eat an ass because he knows less about films then you do.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:15:23 PM

Uh, I'm sorry. "Black wannabes"?! Ha ha ha ha! Holy f*ck, you did not just say that! You are SOOO losing ground here, *sshole! "Black wannabes"?! I didn't know being black was like being a pop star or an astronaut, did you guys?
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:16:21 PM

c-prime stated opinions i stated actually facts
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:16:52 PM

Triggax and c-prime are real black people because they have a f*cking self-esteem. They don't blame old whitey for every f*cking disparity between what they feel should happen and what actually occurs.

Obviously, they practice personal responsibility, and I cheer them on. They're the kind of people you would look up to, want to make your friends.

You're just some illiterate pile of street trash, playing the victim, beating your little drum to the the tune of "Woe is Me".
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:19:24 PM

"c-prime can eat an ass because he knows less about films then you do."

He's actually one of the more knowledgeable and intelligent people on here. What are you? What do you know? Nothing. You're nothing. A hollow empty little pile of puke, a bitch, a whore to the cult of victimology. f*ck you. f*ck your kind. You're a disgrace, not to black people, but to the human f*cking race.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:20:55 PM

c-prime when i called minkowski a racist. you take up for him.fine. but then you argue with me.fine. but al of a sudden when i say the oscars are racists and tell actually facts and put up prove and make you feel stupid your all of sudden black please. your a white man or boy or fag who works at target jerking off to magazines and use the rest of your life on this website arguing with people with a chicken pot pie on your lap
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:21:12 PM

I pray to God you can't physically reproduce, papajohn.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:21:44 PM

"are you a f*cking moron i just told you what i do what do you do besides suck my d*ck for a living"

You're a blue collar f*ck bag that went to Potato State University. That makes you what to me?

And you haven't remotely mastered the basics of the English language, so how can we take any opinion of yours seriously?
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:23:36 PM

minkowski you don't know sh*t about being black so don't try to act so. you c-prime and triggax are maybe some of the biggest losers on the internet.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:24:54 PM

You called me a racist because I stated Pacino deserved his Oscar. How am I a racist again? Oh wait, in your little world, everyone is a f*cking racist. Black guys that disagree with you aren't black, they're black wannabes. white guys that like Pacino are f*cking racist. The entire Academy is racist. It's all just one big effin' conspiracy!
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:26:23 PM

I don't know anything about being white either. Or being green or yellow or any other skin color. That's because I don't define my existence by the level of my skin's melanin.

I'm a human being. You are obviously not.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:27:02 PM

What reason would I have to lie about being black, you pusillanimous piece of sh*t? Why would I call myself a member of a minority group without any rights to the claim? To make people laugh? Do the things you say make sense to even yourself?! f*ckin' ignorance.
Tyrkae writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:28:04 PM

WOW 255 replies!!! and even if mink is a jackass he knows his sh*t same with c prime and ranger i always look for mink and ranger posts they are by far the best!!
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:29:11 PM

"minkowski you don't know sh*t about being black so don't try to act so."

When did minkowski do that? Give me one quote he made on here that verifies that "fact"! Until then, shut the f*ck up!
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:29:29 PM

Jackass? No, I'm officially a 'douchebag'. Please refer to me by my official title.

lol.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:30:56 PM

minkowski i went to a potato state to get a better education in life sorry i didn't chose to be on the internet 24/7 and entertain you all day and be a low life. Sorry for wanting to be educated. Everyone can't live off their grandmother like you.
As for c-prime i had a vasectomy after my 2 kid. thanks for putting me in your praise tonight.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:31:15 PM

@papajohn: woah!

You're 'go' with computers?

And 'faggot' is spelled with an 'o' and not an 'a'

@Mink - musical chairs with pylons... lol. I almost fell out of my chair!

@c-prime - are you 'eating an ass' as per papajohns demand? God... I hope not Bro.

One of several 'bottom lines' here. Is The Academy racist. Sure they are. Has that been some of he debate here? They also hate whitey Brad Pitt. So... I'm a lot lost on the direction of the thread here.
Tyrkae writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:31:52 PM

douchebag i thought that what douche nozzle was but ya i just wish heath was still around he was a good actor/guy
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:33:25 PM

@papajohn - I'm not quite sure what has lit your fuse. But, everyone here is entitled to their opinion (as you are) correct? Even I have caught myself being quite the A-hole on here... and having to learn what I preach. I hope you can (and want to) cool off and join into a healthier debate here at WP sometime.

Have a good night.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:33:28 PM

@Tyrkae :

Yes he was, he was defintely a good actor and a better person, I agree with you there. And thanks for the kind words.
Tyrkae writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:34:38 PM

yes cause calling you and ass is kind words with what most ppl call you lol and ya i hope his new movie isnt a total bust but im thinkin it might be
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:35:44 PM

c-prime bite my d*ck alright if you weren't so focused on me you can see minkowski's 6 to last comment he made on the page and you'll see what i'm talking about. Any time you wanna feel like an idiot let me know
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:36:30 PM

"As for c-prime i had a vasectomy after my 2 kid."

If I had Down syndromic, cranially-conjoined twins like you, I'd probably sooner tell the public I was sterile.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:36:43 PM

The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus? A bust? I doubt it. I doubt that greatly.
DbLoCk3NiNe writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:36:54 PM

martin scorsese never won best director or nothing! why! and leo dicaprio always loses to some other dumb actor. academy awards are a freakn joke.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:38:42 PM

What did I say that was racist, pizzaboy? Please quote me. I may be a jackass, a lowlife and a douchebag, but I'm pretty sure I haven't said anything racist. Pretty damned sure.
Tyrkae writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:38:52 PM

ya i hope your right about The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus i say the trailer and was like UMMM.... and has anyone said titanic yet?
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:41:32 PM

"c-prime bite my d*ck alright..."

You're alleged "d*ck" is probably filled with the very same matter as your spacious head: a bunch of hot air.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:41:34 PM

Titanic was already mentioned, a few times in fact. Way, way over-rated film, no doubt.

Imaginarium will do well, if for no other reason than that it has Heath one last time. It sounds like a winning film, but we'll of course have to wait to see.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:44:53 PM

I'm still waiting for someone to quote my racist comments. If I was racist, I wouldn't bother talking to Trig, c-prime or Vdod. If I was racist, I'd consider them beneath me just because they're black, and that's just ridiculous.

Like I give a sh*t. I know what I am, and I don't have to prove d*ck to some punk puke that graduated from Spud U, some d*ck that shuffles rebar.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:46:09 PM

if i have called any one an ass or any one a foul name or out of their name today they've deserved plan and simple
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:48:20 PM

@papajohn4169 - 'Any time you wanna feel like an idiot let me know.' --- why, are you giving a clinic?

Opinions are like *ssholes... everybody has one. PJ... what has you all fired up?!
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:48:39 PM

you wanted to be quoted dumbass

minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:25:15 PM

Did you say something? All I read was racist whining from a piece of sh*t gangbanging street turd. Loser faggot.



minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 9:27:18 PM

Are you even literate? How can I agrue with an uneducated ignorant piece of trash like you? Huh?

papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:49:30 PM

ranger thats what had me fired up
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:55:08 PM

So gangbanger is a racist term now? Huh? We can mock Jews, but I can't say 'gangbanger'? LOL. What the f*ck ever.

You were fired up before you even arrived in the thread. You came in here looking to start a racist fight. You're first f*cking post was to the affect. The problem, moron, is YOU.

Now, I'm sure everyone will start to feel sorry for you. You're victimology will work wonders on the sympathetic. Woe is you, I used the word gangbanger and supported Pacino. I must wear a f*cking white hood and burn crosses. maybe ranger will give you hugs and kisses.

And f*cker, you SOUND like a f*cking gangbanger. I've known gangbangers. I lived in a city full of that sh*t. and you sound just like them. The way you type and act. You've got street trash written all over you. Does that make me racist? Sure, what the f*ck ever.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a lynching to finish.

Stupid f*ck.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:55:32 PM

Gotcha. I have not read this entire thread. I've gotten fired up from words on here (even today I mistook a person's honest post - and since apologized. I even picked on a newcomer (sorry FF). But hey, just words over the Internet. Mink gets fired up. We all get fired up... then the point of this site gets lost.

So... somebody take the higher ground here please.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:57:21 PM

@Mink - ahhh Buddy. Our next scheduled lynching wasn't 'til tomorrow Bro. Today's was canceled due to weather.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 10:58:46 PM

YOU take the higher ground, Ranger. I'm down in the mud where I belong.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:00:37 PM

minkowski you were not joking and i wasn't joking with you alright you wanna be ha-ha mr.funny try out for DEF COMEDY JAM. im not a gangbanger and i im not raising my kids to be gangbangers alright a community i come from doesn't make me who i am alright. Just watch what you say end of it.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:02:39 PM

ranger don't worry about him he's gonna be working living off his granmother the rest of his life thats why he's comfrontable in mud. He's use to being sh*t
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:03:49 PM

Then talk like a person and stop with the racist crap. That'll be the end.
__________________________________
Exhibit A: Your first post:

"Al Pacino winning for Scent of A Women. Everyone knows Denzel Wahington should of won for Malcolm x. I think worstpreviews should keep their opinions to themselves. I think Denzel Washingtons performance in Training Day was well deserved. Nobody even talks about A BEAUTIFUL MIND any more. The oscars is very racist anyway."

End of story.
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:04:54 PM

My grandmother died 15 years ago from Alzheimers, moron.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:12:20 PM

the comment you quoted wasn't even racist. and i told in facts why the oscars was racist dumbass. i don't give a f*ck about your grandmother shes not my grandmother. eat a d*ck pocahontas
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:18:41 PM

"...if you weren't so focused on me you can see minkowski's 6 to last comment he made on the page and you'll see what i'm talking about."

You're asking me to see something that isn't there. (Golly, I've bet you've heard that line from your wife like a zillion times.)
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:23:04 PM

c-prime don't tell about you and your boyfriends sexual life alright. im not into that. if you ween't an idiot i quoted minkowski already. come back to earth
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:24:16 PM

"the comment you quoted wasn't even racist."

No, no it wasnt. i never claimed it was racist. Pay attention. It was incendiary. Can you spell that word? Here: I.C.E.N.D.I.A.R.Y.

Here's what happened. Try to keep up.

1. You claimed that the Oscars are racist, citing Pacino's win over Denzel Washington.

2. I questioned your claim.

3. You reiterated that the Oscars are racist, and again cited Pacino's win over Denzel Washington.

4. I f*cked with you twice by posting acclaim for Pacino's win. You grew irritated, incapable of understanding that I was screwing with you.

5. At some point, you attacked me for messing with you, and c-prime stepped in.

6. You viciously trashed c-prime without reason.

7. I trashed you in return for your attack on c-prime, and I called you a gangbanging piece of sh*t. I stand by that claim. You sound vastly uneducated. You already gave away your skin color by calling the Academy racist. I knew then I was dealing with a black guy with a chip on his shoulder. Even c-prime thought you were black by calling you Spike Lee.

8. You called me racist. I called you a bunch of sh*t.


9. Here we are.

Now, what about the above series of events is opaque to your narrow understanding?

minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:28:30 PM

"No, no it wasnt. i never claimed it was racist. Pay attention. It was incendiary. Can you spell that word? Here: I.C.E.N.D.I.A.R.Y."

WOW. f*cking irony right there. I left out the N. Jesus Christ, I hate the lack of an edit button.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:30:14 PM

Have you seen MY spelling errors Mink? Let's not go there.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:32:20 PM

"c-prime don't tell about you and your boyfriends sexual life alright. im not into that."

If butt sex with your hair-lipped mother is wrong, then dammit, I don't wanna be right!

But seriously, how could you possibly interpret me f*cking guys from a remark I made about YOUR wife? Where is your head at right now? (Wait, I think I know the answer to that question - probably drinking out of the toilet again. Deluded fool.) I think that says a lot more about you than it does about you, buddy.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:32:39 PM

moron i've been schooling you for like 4 hours. your a moron who's having c-prime defend him because you know sh*t about movies. i stated fact after fact why the oscars IS racist. c-prime has stated why he fells it's not. all you've doing is being a hype man for c-prime. get out your grandmothers house eat a d*ck and die slow.
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:32:53 PM

CORRECTION: "I think that says a whole lot more about you than it does about me, buddy."
IRONDAN writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:33:34 PM

hey i kind of just started to read these comments again.... I don't get what's racist about someone liking a Blind Pacino?

and im no math wiz but doesn't Denzel have 2 oscars and Pacino 1





c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:35:45 PM

Papajohn, does your entire vocabulary consist of the words "d*ck," "grandmother", and "Pocahontas"?

You know, what? You want me to come to your side in the argument and take to the picket line? Fine. I'll start by boycotting your pizza. Dumb bastard.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:37:31 PM

c-prime f*ck your brother minkowski f*ck your mothers mouth apart alright then have a foursome with each. unlike you losers i have to work in the morning night night losers. go watch pootie tang c*cksuckers
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:37:58 PM

Yeah butt Denzel iz blak and dah gave im da 2nd 1 'cause he iz blak!

I pity da poh fool!

See... now THAT's racist (a but funny maybe... but still racist - AND I left brake-dancing out of it!)! Trig... TRIG buddy... u there? Come in good buddy!
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:38:15 PM

"moron i've been schooling you for like 4 hours."

Tears are literally streaming down my face right now. SOOO funny.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:39:16 PM

ironan we weren't just talking about denzel and al pacino we were talking about the oscar all around
TH3D4RKKN1GH7 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:39:17 PM

WTF GUYS?! This discussion was going so good I step out to go to class, eat some dinner, come back and all hells broke loose! RACISM?! BLIND MEN?! OSCARS?! OH MY!
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:40:31 PM

"unlike you losers i have to work in the morning night night losers."

Yeah, those horny truckers at the Texaco aren't gonna blow themselves.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:41:39 PM

c-prime your crying right now because your boyfrind minkowski is f*cking you in your ass
IRONDAN writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:43:08 PM

"and im no math wiz but doesn't Denzel have 2 oscars and Pacino 1"

when i said this i meant that i don't see how the oscars could be seen as racist for not giving Denzel an award (because they have given him 2)
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:43:33 PM

You've been schooling me? How? With jokes about my dead grandmother and poorly punctuated sentences that are grammatically no different from type-printed mumbling?

You said the Oscars are racist. You gave no supporting facts, just wild speculation.

Yes, I know sh*t about movies. I know nothing. And you all you know is that Pacino beat Washington tha year. And that the Academy is racist. I stand in awe of your knowledge and profound cinematic prowess.

Come on man, you're as deflated as that left testicle you lost when you tried beating off with brass knuckles.

"c-prime has stated why he fells it's not. all you've doing is being a hype man for c-prime"

I'm giving c-prime props because he's shown himself as more than just another boring WP d*ckhead, unlike you.

Yes, he probably knows more about Oscars and whatnot then me. I don't give a sh*t. I don't follow awards given from one liberal to the next. I could school him in computer graphics and a host of other topics.

And unlike you, I don't constantly look for a racial subtext in the Oscars, because I'm not a racist like you. I'm not obsessed with skin color. Never have been, never will be.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:43:56 PM

c-prime and can call your grandmother in for me and have her suck the horny truckers off
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:44:59 PM

Yes, Irondan, you're exactly right. 2 for Denzel and one for Pacino. That's racism right there. Didn't you know?
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:46:34 PM

@TH3D4RKKN1GH7 - you missed the first 12 rounds my good man, and get this... for the first time I'm only ringside!!!
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:46:35 PM

"WTF GUYS?! This discussion was going so good I step out to go to class, eat some dinner, come back and all hells broke loose! RACISM?! BLIND MEN?! OSCARS?! OH MY!"

If you're in the dark on the argument, TH3D4RKKN1GH7, simply read papajohn's staggeringly insipid "black wannabes" remark. It should tell you everything you need to know.
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:47:31 PM

@irondan - save your breath buddy... lol.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:48:51 PM

i guess so mink...

Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:49:06 PM

Well... that was great guys. I need a smoke.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:50:08 PM

minkowski who the f*ck mentioned anything about comupter graphics dumbass this is movie site we talk about movies. get c-primes c*ck out of your mouth and take a breather gag boy. what i said about the oscars is fact your just a stubborn moron who knows sh*t about movies. you said you didn't know much about movie awards. so what the f*ck were you arguing with me for 4 hours about the oscars being racists. talk about being a DUMBASS
minkowski writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:52:26 PM

We f*cked Papajohn pretty hard. Do you think he's pregnant?
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:53:22 PM

No... I promised I'd pull out in time (snicker)...
venomex writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:53:56 PM

my vote is for eminem for 8 mile...so the next time he gets his sorry ass in a movie...it'll be "academy award winning" eminem...ugh. oh...and phil collins' crappy tarzan song beating over south park's blame canada...yeah..that keeps on pissing me off.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:54:36 PM

C-PRIME DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MOVIES?
IRONDAN writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:55:23 PM

Hey you know i cant think of the last time asian actor won a oscar?

but isn't that because there are no good roles for asian actors in movies so is that really the awards fault or just the writers fault....?

just thought i would throw that into the dissuasion....
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:55:50 PM

"what i said about the oscars is fact your just a stubborn moron who knows sh*t about movies."

And what exactly does a f*ckin' pizza boy know about movies, huh?! Does that make any sense?! I mean, you have to be a pizza boy. Why else would you choose that ridiculous moniker and write with the effectiveness of a preschooler from Louisiana?
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:56:36 PM

MINKOWSKI THATS THE GAYEST sh*t I'VE HEARD YOU SAY IN 2 MINUTES
Ranger writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:58:34 PM

@irondan - Asians have won Oscars.

It's just they're so short you can't see them accept at the podium... so they just go to commercial.

IRONDAN writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:59:28 PM

thanks for clearing that up ranger
c-prime writes:
on September 21st, 2009 at 11:59:52 PM

"C-PRIME DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MOVIES?"

Yes. Lots. More than I know about human behavior, what motivates people like you to be so blissfully, steadfastly retarded, and pretty much anything else in this crazy world. That's why I comment on a movie website. How are you not getting this?
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:00:31 AM

"minkowski who the f*ck mentioned anything about comupter graphics dumbass this is movie site we talk about movies. "

We also talk about racism, obviously, and the sexual proclivities of your father's late night romp in your bedroom. So I think I can mention computer graphics, right? Stupid f*ck.

"get c-primes c*ck out of your mouth and take a breather gag boy"

Clever. Is that all you can talk about? c-primes c*ck? I guess a faggot like you can only rape his children so often, that he has to start thinking about f*cking other men. I wouldn't know. I'm not into f*cking my own children like you.

"what i said about the oscars is fact "

So, I can look it up in the encyclopedia, right? Under "Papajohn is a d*ckhead"?

"your just a stubborn moron who knows sh*t about movies. you "

And you're just a sperm spill on Spike Lee's keyboard.

"so what the f*ck were you arguing with me for 4 hours about the oscars being racists."

Umm, that they aren't racist? Pretty obvious one there. Doesn't take a Cornell researcher in applied statistics to figure that one out.
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:00:31 AM

@ID - u betcha.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:01:30 AM

IRONAD WHEN YOU TURN ON YOUR TV TO HBO OR CINEMAX OR WHAT EVER DO YOU SEE A f*ckING ASIAN IN ANY MOVIES MORON MIND YOUR f*ckING BUSINESS NO ONE ASK YOU FOR YOUR RETARDED ASS OPINIONS OK. ASIAN ACTORS. WHEN HAVE YOU SEEN AN ASIAN MOVIE NOMINATED FOR AN OSCAR DUMBASS. THAT PROVES THE OSCARS IS RACIST.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:02:26 AM

NEXT TIME YOU WANNA THROW AN OPINION OUT THROW YOURSELF OUT THE WINDOW
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:02:46 AM

@papajohn:

It's what the 'educated' call a figure of speech, or a colorful analogy. But I said 'educated' so that excludes you and the mutant Siamese twins you call your bastard children.
c-prime writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:03:32 AM

Look, he's losing so much ground now, he's restricted himself to typing in all caps. Like that method actually adds credence to what you have to say, dumbass!
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:03:53 AM

Oooh, look, he's typing in all caps. He's gonna blow like Vesuvius, like the false penis his other mother used to make him.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:05:08 AM

MINKOWSKI IS THAT ALL YOU CAN DO SUCK C-PRIME OFF AND ARGEE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS IF SO BECOME A prostitute
c-prime writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:06:09 AM

Here, let me try that:

PAPA JOHN LOVES EATING FLACCID d*ckS AND GOBBLES THEM UP IN JUST 3 BITES! YAY!

Tee hee. That was fun.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:06:24 AM

could i just for sh*ts and giggles throw some gas on this fire and ask Papajohn if he would share his research as to it "is fact" that the oscars are racist by making a list of all the time they gave the award to the wrong person on purpose out of hate?

you said the denzel/pacino one...
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:06:58 AM

Now why the hell woould I want to hang out with your sister, your mother, your wife and your daughter?
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:10:44 AM

"MIND YOUR f*ckING BUSINESS NO ONE ASK YOU FOR YOUR RETARDED ASS OPINIONS OK"

actually this is a discussion article... so i guess worstpreviews asked for my (and all of our) opinion... or did forget what you were doing on here?
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:10:49 AM

Hey, 'Papajohn', a dubious nickname for sure, what did you get your children for Christmas? Edible underwear? Jolly Rancher body spray? f*cking three piece suit of sh*t.
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:11:02 AM

@papajohn4169 - you just gave up more of what little you know.

"ASIAN ACTORS. WHEN HAVE YOU SEEN AN ASIAN MOVIE NOMINATED FOR AN OSCAR DUMBASS. THAT PROVES THE OSCARS IS RACIST."

Asian movies are under the 'foreign movies' category. Ever notice right before a commercial break on The Oscars - they whip through such categories (using just the announcer's voice and only a bit of rushed video footage)? And a TON of Asians have won Oscars as have other Actors and Technical people from everywhere on the planet.

They don't run through ALL the Awards to everyone awarded as it would turn into a 12-hour broadcast.

IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:13:07 AM

hey ranger and mink

im starting to see how much fun it is to watch people crumble into madness at your hands.... i think you turned me over to the dark side
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:13:21 AM

Much like his wife's mentruation, Papajohn just can't find a period.
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:13:37 AM

'NEXT TIME YOU WANNA THROW AN OPINION OUT THROW YOURSELF OUT THE WINDOW' --- OK, I'm still laughing.

OK, IronDan... NO MORE COMMENTS FROM YOU BUDDY 'til you have flung yourself out a window!
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:14:46 AM

Here's the tough part IronDan...

MINK IS YOUR FATHER!

May the Farce be with you!
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:15:05 AM

i was talking about in a best film or actor category
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:18:57 AM

minkowski when you move out from under your grandmothers couche then you can tell me what to do in my personal life.
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:19:15 AM

Oh... well see my racial comment above about those little Asians being too short at the podium, and therefore ignored.

You sure you didn't mean to say that Ranger was racist and not The Oscars?
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:19:37 AM

@ papajohns

crouching tiger hidden dragon

I feel the anger growing inside me lol

i think that is classic i started out just wanting to know what everyone is talking about and this guy just jumped at me for no reason...


Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:19:56 AM

PJ - question: is 'couche' french?
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:20:30 AM

What the hell is a couche? Is that somewhere between the couch and the cooch? Is that where you played with your gun as a kid? In the 'couche'?
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:21:03 AM

As in... I would diddle your little girl's couche.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:21:40 AM

ranger im proving the oscars is racist. why can't the foregin films be nominated in the best category as well. if it's best picture or best actor then every one involved in the oscars should be nominated and given a far chance
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:22:30 AM

Crouching Tiger was just a nominee. No one one anything in the lead actor or best film category. Perhaps in the foreign film category.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:22:44 AM

do you have to go to the doctors one a year to get you couche looked at?
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:23:08 AM

Is Ben Kingsley technically Asian? Because he's won some serious awards. He's British Indian, right?
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:24:22 AM

yeah mink but it is a honor to get nominated... or is it even more racist hmmmmm

papajohn your thoughts?
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:24:56 AM

"why can't the foregin films be nominated in the best category as well."

Because those are foreign films!
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:25:22 AM

i think kingsley is just british.
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:26:40 AM

"yeah mink but it is a honor to get nominated... or is it even more racist hmmmmm"

Channeling Papajohn:

tahs is jus so rasist a nomaknee not a wen don yu no neting
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:27:12 AM

some foreign films have also been up for best picture

life is beautiful and crouching tiger both were
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:27:46 AM

Born in Britain of mixed heritage:

Kingsley was born Krishna Pandit Bhanji in Snainton, near Scarborough, Yorkshire, England, the son of Annalyna Mary (née Goodman), an actress and model, and Rahimtulla Harji Bhanji, a medical doctor.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:27:50 AM

ironan did't i tell tell you to jump out of a window you just don't learn do you

minkowski i think you've been talking to the rats under your grandmothers couch to much
c-prime writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:28:04 AM

"why can't the foregin films be nominated in the best category as well?"

"Letters from Iwo Jima". There, I've proven you wrong yet again.
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:30:09 AM

Ang Lee won Best Director for Brokeback Mountain.
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:30:19 AM



@papajohn4169 - ok... NOW I'm getting more of (and from) you.

Are The Oscar's racist. You'd have to ask Sydney Poitier... he's black, he's won one (seriously... NOT making fun of you... and I know it's harder to tell in text). Halle Berry played the black card when she won, which sucked because she's half white (as is Obama, but everyone calls him black, completely disregarding the job his white mother did of raising him)... so, I don't know what Halle's issues are.

Are The Oscar's an American Production... yes. Do American Stars get priority air time over winners of other countries... certainly.

Personally... I think The Oscar's are more political, ignore the REAL winners from year-to-year, and they have an American slant to them (no offense to my Asian friends!)... but racists?

OK... let's (fairly) look at it from YOUR side of the coin. Let's let you talk. Whom (that is non-white) do you feel (honestly) that has been overlooked at The Oscars. I can see you're passionate about your position. But let's not just wave the racist flag at The Oscars.

Who do you feel was honestly overlooked for the Award?

Thx. for reading, your consideration, and I'll thank you in advance for your (kind) reply.

minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:30:45 AM

"minkowski i think you've been talking to the rats under your grandmothers couch to much "

I'll give em back. Your kids need the meal.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:32:07 AM

thats interesting mink i didnt know that about sir ben

oh and Papajohn i will not jump out of my window just because you keep spelling my name wrong its Irondan not ironan

really its hurting my feelings :(
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:32:11 AM

c-prime your retarded and d*ckless. just because you comment on a movie website doesn't mean you know anything about films
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:33:58 AM

'"Letters from Iwo Jima". There, I've proven you wrong yet again."

Iwo Jima was nominated for best original screenplay. M Night has also been nominated, as was Hanif Kureishi for My Beautiful Laundrette.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:34:40 AM

ranger there is no point i asked a sound question like that because i really wanted to know his view and he told me to jump out of a window....and spelled my name wrong
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:35:24 AM

Not to mention all the foreign film noms of Akira Kurosawa. He's received a lot of recognition from 'racists'.
c-prime writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:36:15 AM

"c-prime your retarded and d*ckless. just because you comment on a movie website doesn't mean you know anything about films"

You've explained your situation perfectly.
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:36:48 AM

Ranger believes in the idea of attracting flies with honey. Don't ask me why.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:36:50 AM

IRONDAN ironman is fake grow up you fanboy. if you think ironman is real jump out your window and see if you can fly.

Ranger im tired if you go threw the early comments i made theirs a very large comment i wrote about why i felt the oscars was racist and what was over looked. it's thelargest comment i made today
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:38:56 AM

Bragging about your largest comment is like me bragging about that huge dump I took. I think most folks would rather look at my dump, though.
c-prime writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:39:08 AM

Come clean, papajohn, you don't really believe all this racist superstitions you've been spouting off. The real reason you're upset is 'cause some guys trashed your beloved "Forrest Gump", the feel-good story of your life. Right?
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:39:50 AM

in 2006 5 actors nominated where of african American backrounds and two of them when home with a statue

is that a sign that times are changing?


Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:39:57 AM

@PJ - ok.

@Mink - just trying to smoothen the waters (for a change).
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:40:09 AM

LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA WAS DIRECTED BY CLINT EASTWOOD AN AMERICAN MORON.

AND IRONDAN YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW MY POINT OF VIEW ABOUT sh*t THE CONVERSATION DIDN'T INVOLVE YOU FROM GET GO
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:41:24 AM

In 1985 Haing Ngor won an award for Actor in a Supporting Role for the film The Killing Fields.
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:42:18 AM

ILETTERS FROM IWO JIMA WAS DIRECTED BY CLINT EASTWOOD AN AMERICAN MORON."

Iwo Jima was written by a Japanese woman and was nominated for Best Original Screenplay, MORON.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:43:36 AM

C-PRIME FORREST GUMP IS NOT MY TYPE OF MOVIE. I WATCH IT WITH MINKOWSKI'S GRANDMOTHER WHEN I PLAN ON GETTING SOME p*ssy FROM HER.

IRONDAN 2 BLACK ACTORS GET OSCARS WHATS THAT 9 BLACK OSCAR WINNING ACTORS. YES IT IS
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:43:38 AM

"IRONDAN ironman is fake grow up you fanboy. if you think ironman is real jump out your window and see if you can fly."

fanboy? i just liked the name... you named yourself after a pizza place?

why wont you discuss you point? the insult thing isnt really working for you? i think we would like to know why you think that....
brazzmunkie writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:43:43 AM

Definitely slum dog millionaire. I watched it, it was good, but not oscar good...not even close. They kissed that movies ass at the awards...bunch of retards.
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:44:16 AM

YEAH IRONAD... WHO ASKED YOU?!?!?

AREN'T YOU OUT THAT f*ckING WINDOW YET?!?!?

(lol).
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:45:15 AM

LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA WAS RELEASED IN AMERICAN MOVIE THEATERS MORON
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:45:46 AM

"I WATCH IT WITH MINKOWSKI'S GRANDMOTHER WHEN I PLAN ON GETTING SOME p*ssy FROM HER."

You're into f*cking very old, very dead white women? Better not tell the little sweethearts cozy in their beds, they might get jealous daddy has a new f*ck toy.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:47:05 AM

IRONDAN I WANT DISCUSS MY POINT WITH YOU BECAUSE IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY WINDEX
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:47:49 AM

'LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA WAS RELEASED IN AMERICAN MOVIE THEATERS MORON"

SO f*ckING WHAT MORON? YOU COMPLAIN ASIANS DO NOT GET WINS OR NOMS AND THEN WE SHOW YOU THEY DO AND THEN YOU COMPLAIN THAT THOSE FILMS WERE RELEASED IN AMERICAN THEATERS. WHERE SHOULD'VE IWO JIMA BEEN RELEASED TO WORK FOR YOU? NIGERIA? THEY WOULDVE BANNED IT.

What a total f*cking imbecile you are.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:47:50 AM

"IRONDAN 2 BLACK ACTORS GET OSCARS WHATS THAT 9 BLACK OSCAR WINNING ACTORS. YES IT IS"

right so would you agree that times are changing and more parts are being written for minorities?

why the anger and hate man im just trying to talk with you and you act like im evil for doing so?
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:47:58 AM

@BRAZZ - it was a doubly-embarrassing-edged sword for the Academy. They just weren't kissing Slumdog's ass... it was a snub to Brad Pitt. NOT his movie Benjamin Button... but by ignoring Brad himself.

Brad was a co (or exec) producer on The Departed. And when that movie won... they all got statues... except for Brad.

They way the ignored Spielberg for so long, Cruise for Born on the 4th of July, Shakespeare winning over Shawshank, and now ignoring Brad... just PROVES that The Oscars just political, stupid and irrelevant (aside from boosting an Actor's salary).

IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:49:36 AM

"IRONDAN I WANT DISCUSS MY POINT WITH YOU"

so we agree we both "want" to dicuss
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:49:50 AM

MINKOWSKI YOU KNOW YOUR GRANDMOTHERS THE ONLY ONE FOR ME.

IRONDAN WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MY POINT. WHO THE f*ck INVITED YOU IN THE CONVERSATION DUMBASS. STAY OUTTA MY BUSINESS. DO I WALK IN YOUR HAS AND THROW YOU OUT THE WINDOW
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:50:28 AM

I get it now, Papajohn thinks the Academy is racist because they don't select foreign films to win over American ones. A film made in Botswana should take precedence over the latest Martin Scorsese film. lol.
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:51:01 AM

PJ - you KNOW that IronAD has as much right to post on here as you do, and to involve himself into your conversation on this public blog site... yes?

And sorry... I'm lost on the WINDEX reference. Is this in regard to IronAD and your wanting him to throw himself out of a window? If so, it's clever, if not a stretch. I'm not making the correlation.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:51:06 AM

MINKOWSKI YOU KNOW YOUR GRANDMOTHERS THE ONLY ONE FOR ME.

IRONDAN WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MY POINT. WHO THE f*ck INVITED YOU IN THE CONVERSATION DUMBASS. STAY OUTTA MY BUSINESS. DO I WALK IN YOUR HOUSE AND THROW YOU OUT THE WINDOW
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:51:44 AM

"Brad was a co (or exec) producer on The Departed. And when that movie won... they all got statues... except for Brad."

dude i didnt know that... thats messed up

he will get one soon. He takes some pretty cool risks with his roles
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:52:57 AM

I don't blame them Ranger. As much as I love the guy and his roles, Pitt either delivers a poor performance or he approaches his role like it's a joke. It's hard to take even his role in CCOBB seriously.
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:53:05 AM

Is 'HAS' french for 'house' PJ? I know it's not German.

And Mink... your Grandmother is the only one for me too. So there you great big poopie-head!
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:54:18 AM

MINKOWSKI IF A FOREIGN FILM IS BETTER THEN AN AMERICAN BEST PICTURE NOMINATED FILM THEN IT DESERVES TO BEAT IT AT THE OSCARS. IF IT'S BEST PICTURE CATEGORY THEN ONLY THE BEST MOVIES SHOULD BE NOMINATED NO MATTER IF IT'S FOREIGN IT'S STILL A MOVIE
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:54:29 AM

Actually ranger:

"Neither he nor Brad Pitt got a "Best Picture" Oscar for "The Departed," because the "Best Picture" Oscar goes to the Producer of the winning movie, and under Oscar rules, neither Scorsese nor Pitt are considered Producers. These days, "Producer" credits are handed out on Hollywood films like room keys at a Swinger's Convention. The Oscar people got fed up with giving a trophy to every Personal Assistant, Caterer, and Dog Wrangler who managed to score a Producer credit, and so they came up with a rule that they will recognize a maximum of 3 Producers on any film. Scorsese and Pitt just didn't make the top 3 cut on "The Departed." No, you can't have a "Best Picture" Oscar. Not yours."
brazzmunkie writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:54:49 AM

I haven't seen this much slinging of glorious insults since chat rooms were popular.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:55:49 AM

you know what im starting to feel pretty sad over here because of this window thing.... how did popajohn know that I dont cant afford a place with windows so he is teasing me while i have to sit here in unnatural light and take it.
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:55:57 AM

@ID - were I Brad, Bro... I wouldn't give a sh*t anymore. He is by FAR one of the most progressive business people in the Industry. I don't know if reg. imdb shows his projects currently in the works... but he ALWAYS has 10-12 things on the go. He's too busy, too successful, and too wealthy to give a sh*t about 'The Oscars!' (as would I).

Sorry PJ - this reply to IronAD isn't along your line of discussion, but I felt as an active (and regular) participant her on WP, that he deserved a reply to my reply.

I thank you in advance for your understanding.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:56:39 AM

RANGER I CHANGED IT TO HOUSE ALREADY
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:57:14 AM

"MINKOWSKI IF A FOREIGN FILM IS BETTER THEN AN AMERICAN BEST PICTURE NOMINATED FILM THEN IT DESERVES TO BEAT IT AT THE OSCARS. IF IT'S BEST PICTURE CATEGORY THEN ONLY THE BEST MOVIES SHOULD BE NOMINATED NO MATTER IF IT'S FOREIGN IT'S STILL A MOVIE "

The awards are primarily for AMERICAN FILMS! That's how it is idiot! Why, omg, are you so f*cking obtuse? Is it deliberate?

They have their own awards over on the other side of the world, and they do not include us in them. That's how it works!

Arguing with is like f*cking your wife in the ass: full of sh*t.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:58:28 AM

I guess i can understand that mink.... they cnt just be giving 100's of these things away
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:59:50 AM

RANGER I WASN'T HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH IRONDAN I WAS TALKING TO MINKOWSKI AND HE FELT HE NEEDED TO JUMP IN AND TRIPLE TEAM WITH MINKOWSKI AND C-PRIME. BUT LIKE I SAID EARLIER IF I FEEL IM RIGHT I WILL ARGUE WITH ANYONE TO THE END OF THE WORLD
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:59:57 AM

@Mink - I knew that limited statue rule actually (it came up after the Pitt/Departed affair).

@PJ - is what you're saying that a best film in the world should win the best Oscar regardless of where it is, you didn't hear me... The Oscar's is an American Production. It IS slantest towards the American Arts. That doesn't make it 'racist'... it makes the Awards 'Elitists'... it's like American Baseball... and their 'World Series' with only American's playing.
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 12:59:58 AM

Anyway, Papajohn is just playing around. I bet he isn't even black. He's just a very clever white guy trying to rouse up some trouble by playing the race card. Good job dude!
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:01:44 AM

WELL IM SLEEPY NOW ARGUE WITH YOU LOSERS LATER.HOPE YOUR GRANDMOTHER f*ckS YOU GOOD TONIGHT MINKOWSKI
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:02:09 AM

@ ranger

thats true its proably the last thing on his mind which is good because when you go looking for a Oscar you end up in a sh*tty movie that everyone sees as a Oscar worm on a hook... like Simple Jack lol
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:02:28 AM

414 comments! A f*cking new record! Wait, that's racist. I should check to see if there's an Asian WorstPreviews thread with more comments.
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:03:29 AM

@PJ - ok... I'm out for now.

KNOW that IRONDAN was not 'triple-teaming' with c-prime and Mink against you. He too just had a different opinion than yours and on several occasions, he quite gentlemanly told you his position (which he's quite allowed to do, as am I... as we all are).

An exchange of opinions and ideas is what this site is ALL about. It's just gotten personal again (I know... I've done it myself on here... sometimes to really nice people, I'm sure)

Have (try and have) a good night. Hope to see you on here again, on a different topic.



papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:04:35 AM

MINKOWSI THE DAY IM NOT BLACK IS THE DAY YOU MOVE OUTTA YOUR GRANDMOTHERS HOUSE.

RANGER THEN THEY SHOULD NOT NOMINATE FOREIGN FILMS IF THEIR GONNA MAKE IT THAT WAY.

GOOD NIGHT HAVE TO WORK IN THE MORNING
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:05:46 AM

@ Papajohn

sorry if you thought i was triple teaming you i was jsut asking about your point as i was interested... i thought that you seemed so passionate that you would be down with talking but then you just seemed try and insult everyone

anyways have a nice sleep
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:09:29 AM

Well... nice going Alex.

Great topic for a thread... LOL!
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:09:48 AM

hey mink
is there really a asian worstpreviews because i would love to know if there is a jet li lizard ?

thanks ranger for trying to calm papajohn down... i dont know what he had against me
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:18:28 AM

Not just you ID... against most.
minkowski writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:22:12 AM

You guys are way, way too nice. Neville Chamberlain tried that approach and look what it got him. lol

And no, there's not an Asian Worst Previews, although, that's not a bad idea. hint hint.

"RANGER THEN THEY SHOULD NOT NOMINATE FOREIGN FILMS IF THEIR GONNA MAKE IT THAT WAY."

Yeah, simply ignoring every foreign film would be a lot better, right? THAT wouldn't be racist now would it?

Jeez, your entire world is upside-down, PJ.
IRONDAN writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 1:22:23 AM

oh well that life on the internet....

good night never never land

i am out
triggax writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 2:07:05 AM

I am SO far out of the loop... Man 425 comments.. f*ck me last I checked it was at 200..

I swear im gonna wake up tomorrow and read all your comments and post something note worthy..

Goodnight gentlemen..

f*ck your mother pizza boy.
Bigwoody84 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 4:12:50 AM

Hey papa I'm new on here and I don't no sh*t, an I've read every single post on this subject and I can't understand what's got u so wound up!!! I got to agree with trigg, cprime, mink ranger they've got a sound argument! U seem to b getting more hacked off with everything they say, why don't u get back on subject and stop making enemies!!
SpaceGhost89 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 7:25:43 AM

I personally think The Dark Knight does not deserve a single Oscar, including Ledger. But that's just me. For me, it is either Rocky beating Taxi Driver or Chariots Of Fire beating Raiders Of The Lost Ark. Honestly, look at the film that has been remembered. Raiders. Maybe not Taxi Driver so much, but it is simply just a better written and better directed film. Slumdog is way too over-rated too and No Country should never have won over There Will Be Blood.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 7:38:46 AM

minkowski i said the oscrs was racist and you could not think of one reason why it wasn't c-prime did and all you did was d*ck ride off his comments and f*ck triggax
c-prime writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 7:39:47 AM

Damn, I wasn't around to watch this thing break 400 replies. That's a shame. I grew weary of his bigoted tirade though. Looks like I didn't miss a whole lot. It was a pleasure defending good morals with you, gentlemen. Hope to do it again real soon.
thedotsays writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 8:11:41 AM

@thedotsays- The Last Emperor was awesome, unforgiven was spectacular... BUT I never understood why Silence of the Lambs won best picture...? Yeah, it was a f*cking excellent movie.. but.. Up against JFK or Bugsy.. was it really THAT good? Maybe against Bugsy but.. It had nothing on JFK and thats a shame..

@triggax - Bugsy was ok and yes JFK was good. I honesly think that JFK and SOTL were neck and neck but they didn't award JFK because of Dances With Wolves.
thedotsays writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 8:58:18 AM

I'm sure at this point @Ranger has been wondering when I was going to chime in on this.
Wooooow I actually read most of this insipid thread after my post just now and I must say, @papajohn, you are flat out wrong and are making things for yourself worse by attacking blindly. Seriously man, get over it, and more imprtantly get over yourself. You're running around waving that racism flag and you're pretty off base. Racism is a joke but it's not dead. It keeps living not only because of ignorant people continue to live by it but folks like yourself continue rally around it and accuse everyone you see of it. It's people like you who give us in the black community a bad rep. Even moreso than the true bad elements of our race since they will eventually erase each other in time.
I'm not defending anyone nor am I attacking anyone. I've read all the back and forth and I cannot find anything Mink said racist. And you're attacking people for no real reason. You're making yourself look really stupid, but I think at this point, EVERYONE on this thread shares that opinion. You're fighting an unnessecary and losing battle in here man. Just fall back, let this thread resume what it was (supposedly) intended for and keep it moving. Sure there will be battles in here and it's expected as much as it is wanted to tell you the truth. It's just pathetic and weak to see someone go at it the way you are. I mean grandmother rips??? Gay attacks?? Race questioning?? Really??
I hate adding my 5 cents in (inflation folks) but reading your posts was simply gut wrenchingly bad.
As upset as you got over someone questioning your age and career, how do you think c-prime feels questioning his race? Oh and before I forget, yes I am black. Trust me on this, I checked. I'm sure prime could care less what you think but who are you to question?
I'm sure you'll probably want to get at me with some witty stabs questioning my manhood or my supposed fetish for incestuous relations with the senior members of my family, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I don't expect it.
thedotsays writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 8:59:26 AM

@Ranger, damn How did I miss that Jedi discrimination thread?!?!?!
triggax writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 2:07:41 PM

Really? You think JFK didn't win because Dances with Wolves cleaned up the year before? Yeah that kind of makes sense but... It was just a far better movie imo... I think it should have won best picture... Although its kind of nice to see a horror movie win best picture... but still.. I LIKED JFK DAMMIT!
Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 3:26:28 PM

ok quick count here on how many black ppl won ocars

>Hattie McDaniel, Best Actress in a Supporting Role for Gone With the Wind (1939).
>James Baskett, Honorary Award "for his able and heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus, friend and story teller to the children of the world in Walt Disney's Song of the South" (1946). [awarded at the 1948 Academy Awards Ceremony]
>Sidney Poitier, Best Actor in a Leading Role for Lilies of the Field (1963).
>Isaac Hayes, Best Music, Original Song for "Theme from Shaft" from Shaft (1971).
>Louis Gossett, Jr., Best Actor in a Supporting Role for An Officer and a Gentleman (1982).
>Irene Cara, Best Music, Original Song for "Flashdance...What a Feeling" from Flashdance (1983).
>Prince, Best Music, Original Song Score for Purple Rain (1984).
>Stevie Wonder, Best Music, Original Song for "I Just Called to Say I Loved You" from The Woman in Red (1984).
>Lionel Richie, Best Music, Original Song for "Say You, Say Me" from White Nights (1985).
>Herbie Hanc*ck, Best Music, Original Score for 'Round Midnight (1986).
>Willie D. Burton, Best Sound for Bird (1988) [shared with Les Fresholtz, Rick Alexander, and Vern Poore].
>Denzel Washington, Best Actor in a Supporting Role for Glory (1989).
>Russell Williams II, Best Sound for Glory (1989) [shared with Donald O. Mitchell, Gregg Rudloff, and Elliot Tyson].
>Whoopi Goldberg, Best Actress in a Supporting Role for Ghost (1990).
>Russell Williams II, Best Sound for Dances With Wolves (1990) [shared with Jeffrey Perkins, Bill W. Benton, and Gregory H. Watkins].
>Quincy Jones, 1995 Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award.
>Cuba Gooding, Jr., Best Actor in a Supporting Role for Jerry Maguire (1996).
>Halle Berry, Best Actress in a Leading Role for Monster's Ball (2001)
Jennifer Hudson-Dreamgirls (2007)
Jamie Foxx - Best Actor 2004 for "Ray"

In the late 30's they were winning.
i really dont think they are racist
Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 3:28:44 PM

just copy and pasted to lazy to type

There were two Asian winners at the 81st Annual Academy Awards, both from Japan.

First up, filmmaker Kunio Kato won Best Animated Short Film for La Maison En Petits Cubes. After thanking everyone from the Academy to his pencil, listen to the hilarious way he ends his acceptance speech….

Further into the evening, director Yojiro Takita’s Departures won for Best Foreign Language film in what many are calling an upset victory. Departures is about an unemployed cellist who finds work preparing corpses for cremation.


dionl1976 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 3:34:16 PM

WOW YOU DIDNT THINK DENZEL DESERVED THAT OSCAR. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN RECIEVED ONE FOR MALCOM X. I THOUGHT SO
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 3:37:14 PM

@thedot... lol.

@Tyrkae - great info. my friend. Nice post!

I guess that info. quashes PJ's claim that The Oscar's are racial... FOR GOOD!!!
thedotsays writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 3:45:26 PM

@Triggax, actually in all honesty, JFK was indeed a very great film indeed. But the acting was far better than the story itself IMO. And I think that's another reason why it lost to SOTL. Don't get me wrong, JFK's story was great but I think since relatively everyone already knew the story, SOTL won because its story was great as well the actingall around, the music score, and it separates itself from the crowd and can stack up against many movies made today.
I know that JFK wasn't Costner's project as was Dances With Wolves but it was the deciding factor in the two.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 4:12:19 PM

ranger and who ever else join the argument late. i was talking about the oscars being racist as for as giving people the rightful respect for acting and films i wasn't talking about best sound or graphics or best music tyrkye
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 4:13:51 PM

ranger and who ever else join the argument late. i was talking about the oscars being racist as for as giving people the rightful respect for acting and films i wasn't talking about best sound or graphics or best music tyrkae
Monroe writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 4:20:44 PM

Nicholson not getting a nod for Departed...Johnny Depp losing for Finding Neverland and Tommy Lee Jones for The Fugitive...honestly what the f*ck?
Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 4:25:41 PM

dude like 5 are best supporting or best actor
1/5 in the oscars are black like once every 5 years so he black ppl have a very little chance
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 4:37:30 PM

tyrkae im just saying the oscars does not give many actors or films the respect they rightfully deserve which to me is not fair at all
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 4:54:43 PM

@ the dotsays
well pj says next time you want to jump in someones conversation get all the facts moron this conversation had nothing to do with you

Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 5:09:05 PM

you said PJ "minkowski i said the oscrs was racist and you could not think of one reason why it wasn't c-prime did and all you did was d*ck ride off his comments and f*ck triggax"

and i say dont think so in the 40s black ppl won best supporting and in the 60s best actor not to mention all the newer ones that i didnt mention like Ray
c-prime writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 5:16:14 PM

Jesus Christ, papajohn, are you still pressing your irrational case? My God, you are quite possibly the most dense person on this website. Just drop it: we've been "schooling" your ass over a hundred posts ago.

"ranger and who ever else join the argument late. i was talking about the oscars being racist as for as giving people the rightful respect for acting and films i wasn't talking about best sound or graphics or best music..."

You f*cking simp. Tyrkae named twenty examples since the 1930s that disproved your claims and you employ this cowardly, bullsh*t method to save face by saying you were talking ONLY about the acting awards. Backpedalling bastard. I eagerly anticipate what moronic bile you're gonna spew out next (something about a grandparent would be my best guess).
triggax writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 5:16:26 PM

@thedot... Yeah, you're very right.. It just holds up differently for me.. I see why SOTL would be the obvious winner, I just like one over the other and as far as im concerned my decision should be the academies decision.. :P
triggax writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 5:18:26 PM

C-Prime, Its not worth your time or intelligence my friend..

PJ's a troll with not one single coherent or logical thing to say about anything. So its a pointless argument.. It's like arguing with a retarded termite.
Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 5:42:44 PM

c-prime i think hes next post will involve my mouth and someones d*ck and something about a grandmother.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 6:20:27 PM

c-prime you have it wrong you've been getting schooled. you and your groupies and just mad because im telling you facts you don't want to here
Ranger writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 6:37:43 PM

@PJ - I don't mean to be a 'copy & paste' kind of a guy... but:

ok quick count here on how many black ppl won ocars

>Hattie McDaniel, Best Actress in a Supporting Role for Gone With the Wind (1939).
>James Baskett, Honorary Award "for his able and heart-warming characterization of Uncle Remus, friend and story teller to the children of the world in Walt Disney's Song of the South" (1946). [awarded at the 1948 Academy Awards Ceremony]
>Sidney Poitier, Best Actor in a Leading Role for Lilies of the Field (1963).
>Isaac Hayes, Best Music, Original Song for "Theme from Shaft" from Shaft (1971).
>Louis Gossett, Jr., Best Actor in a Supporting Role for An Officer and a Gentleman (1982).
>Irene Cara, Best Music, Original Song for "Flashdance...What a Feeling" from Flashdance (1983).
>Prince, Best Music, Original Song Score for Purple Rain (1984).
>Stevie Wonder, Best Music, Original Song for "I Just Called to Say I Loved You" from The Woman in Red (1984).
>Lionel Richie, Best Music, Original Song for "Say You, Say Me" from White Nights (1985).
>Herbie Hanc*ck, Best Music, Original Score for 'Round Midnight (1986).
>Willie D. Burton, Best Sound for Bird (1988) [shared with Les Fresholtz, Rick Alexander, and Vern Poore].
>Denzel Washington, Best Actor in a Supporting Role for Glory (1989).
>Russell Williams II, Best Sound for Glory (1989) [shared with Donald O. Mitchell, Gregg Rudloff, and Elliot Tyson].
>Whoopi Goldberg, Best Actress in a Supporting Role for Ghost (1990).
>Russell Williams II, Best Sound for Dances With Wolves (1990) [shared with Jeffrey Perkins, Bill W. Benton, and Gregory H. Watkins].
>Quincy Jones, 1995 Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award.
>Cuba Gooding, Jr., Best Actor in a Supporting Role for Jerry Maguire (1996).
>Halle Berry, Best Actress in a Leading Role for Monster's Ball (2001)
Jennifer Hudson-Dreamgirls (2007)
Jamie Foxx - Best Actor 2004 for "Ray"

In the late 30's they were winning.
i really dont think they are racist
Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 6:44:58 PM

in the time where black ppl didnt have equal rights they won best actor and supporting actor that to me is NOT RACIST now please explain why you think it is so we can shot you down again
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 6:46:25 PM

papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 4:13:51 PM

ranger and who ever else join the argument late. i was talking about the oscars being racist as for as giving people the rightful respect for acting and films i wasn't talking about best sound or graphics or best music tyrkae

Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 4:25:41 PM

dude like 5 are best supporting or best actor
1/5 in the oscars are black like once every 5 years so he black ppl have a very little chance

papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 4:37:30 PM

tyrkae im just saying the oscars does not give many actors or films the respect they rightfully deserve which to me is not fair at all
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 6:47:06 PM

the quotes above were for ranger
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 6:51:32 PM

tyrkae how many BLACK ACTORS during the time where many rights were allowed for them were giving an oscar for best actor or actress or best picture.And how many of those roles weren't stereotypes. dorothy dandridge lost out for carmen jones during that time and that was a stereotype come to think about it
triggax writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 8:24:07 PM

the last 10 posts from you, you little parasite, are literally incomprehensible... You make absolutely no sense and are completely illogical.... How bout' just shutting the f*ck up already most of us on here don't speak retard.
Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 9:05:55 PM

i know a little retard
here it goes
you guyz all sux d*ck and granmas house is filled with sh*t and rat HAHA omg when will denzile win a award for best acctor

c-prime writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 9:10:03 PM

You're right, triggax. Thanks for reminding me to keep my cool. Appreciate it. I'm tired of arguing with this insignificant roach. You bombard him with the truth and yet he remains adamantly opposed to reason. If he wants to be mired in his fiction and hostility, then so be it. I just hope his hate speech and superstitious drivel don't catch on with the rest of the world.

"Black wannabes" - the impact of that absurd remark is just staggering.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 9:27:20 PM

triggax everything i said mad sense your just a retard who can't even turn on a t.v. i said the oscars was racist and stated why i felt so you have yet to say why it's not. c-prime lose your cool from what? being wrong. like i told you already if i feel im right all argue with you to the end of the world.everything i said from the get go was right. you see tyrkae didn't answer my last question
Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 9:35:48 PM

she was nominated for an oscar how is that racist and i havent seen eaither you know it goes to the best actor and not the black person right?
Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 9:37:55 PM

and my post was only wins i didnt mention how many people got nominated
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 10:17:51 PM

i know it goes to best actor i personally don't like when people are stereotyped in movies but since you said you didn't see carmen jones theirs no point of debating if she deserved the oscar or not
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 10:29:50 PM

who cares about nominations the color purple was nominated for 11 oscars and didn't win anything
Tyrkae writes:
on September 22nd, 2009 at 10:57:52 PM

and lots of the oscar winners are upsets just cause a black person loses doesnt mean its racism 1000 or so ppl decide im pretty sure maybe 10 of them are racist
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 23rd, 2009 at 12:05:20 AM

11 nominations and you win nothing thats robbery. losing for 81 years is robbery
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 23rd, 2009 at 12:05:44 AM

11 nominations and you win nothing thats robbery. losing for 81 years is robbery
IRONDAN writes:
on September 23rd, 2009 at 1:44:54 AM

but dude it got 11 nominations... and it was a great movie so it should have been nominated.... it didn't win because it didn't win not because it was about black people.

they can't all be winners

look "award winning" actors come in small groups they change about ever 10 years then new "award winning actors" come around. think Pacino and De Niro in the 70's and Kevin Spacey and Tom Hanks in the 90's

there is always the same 20 people nominated in those 10 yearish areas

right now we are actually in a period with many strong black actors that get amazing role and could win awards or not based on how well they do not based on there skin color.

dont cheapen the great performances that have won awards for Denzel and Jamie foxx (even though i liked him better in Collateral then Ray) look at the list of black actors that have won i think they deserved them... so if they got them because they earned them does that not show that the Oscars will give you an award if you did give an amazing performance?

Papajohn i know you are just going to shoot back with a insult but i would actually like to know of any Actors and in what role you think got snubbed and who won it instead?

i could think of Morgan freeman for shawshank not getting nominated but i loved Martin Landau in Ed Wood he really was the emotional focal point of that movie and with out him you got nothing

so if you are interested in talking about you picks then lst them... who knows i may agree

but at the moment i think there are so many good movies every year lots are not awarded but its because others stayed in there mind and not because of race




Ranger writes:
on September 23rd, 2009 at 2:23:29 AM

I loved The Color Purple. It's one of my fav's.

I wanted to kick the sh*t out of Danny Glover every second of the film. Like Caesar in The Gladiator. 2 great performances. Oh... and like the prick Warden in Shawshank.
Armpit writes:
on September 23rd, 2009 at 11:17:31 AM

You know, honestly, this is a very tough question. When you think about it - most movies are chosen for some background inside politics - take "Mary Poppins" who won against "My fair Lady" because they were boycotting Hepburn. Audrey Hepburn had been choosen over Julie Andrews who played the Fair Lady for the longest time as a play for the movie and the tight-asses wouldn't even consider her. I know the question says "movie" and not "actor" - but a lot of sh*t goes on in there. I remember actors being outraged when Alladin (cartoon) won a statuette. You can please some of the people sometime but you can never please Hollywood actors...
triggax writes:
on September 23rd, 2009 at 12:29:24 PM

"who cares about nominations the color purple was nominated for 11 oscars and didn't win anything"

Well f*ck ME the oscars MUST be totally racist and full of sh*t...

How about Benjamin Button, it lost out on just as many awards as The Color Purple.. Maybe they're prejudice towards midgets? or old people? or tilda swinton?... Who knows.. but it must have something to do with prejudice.

prejudice prejudice...
Ranger writes:
on September 23rd, 2009 at 1:09:24 PM

Well, The Academy sure has some prejudice against Pitt. Which... because they're Judges that Judge because they can not due... I'm sure Pitt (he's pretty savvy) takes it as a compliment.

When the Academy ignores you for this long with that many good projects (like they did Spielberg) - f*ck 'em.

The Oscars are a night of a Thousand Stars spectacle... nothing more.
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 23rd, 2009 at 9:38:09 PM

c-prime if you would stop coming in and out of the conversation you would have already seen that i wrote letters from iwo jima was released in american theaters
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 23rd, 2009 at 9:41:19 PM

irondan if you seriously believe what you just wrote about the color purple i don't know what else to tell. if you look up the movies it was nominated against and can honestly say it didn't deserve any oscars or didn't see any thing fishey about that i don't know what else to tell you.
Tyrkae writes:
on September 23rd, 2009 at 11:54:37 PM

Dude it not that they are Racist is cause they are Dumb Titanc won over good will hunting and LA confidentail And tons of other upsets FOR THE LAST TIME THEY ARE NOT RACIST!!!
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 24th, 2009 at 4:06:06 PM

tyrkae your intitled to your opinion and at the end of the day your going to continue to believe what you believe and im going to believe what i believe and thats that the oscars is racist
Tyrkae writes:
on September 25th, 2009 at 3:01:33 PM

ya and your going to belive we never landed on the moon, 9/11 was an inside job, flu shots control your mind,and that elvis is still alive
papajohn4169 writes:
on September 25th, 2009 at 9:40:32 PM

tyrkae you lost me i live in america i know what the f*ck has happened and what is currently going on here. But what the f*ck does that have t do with the oscars
Tyrkae writes:
on September 29th, 2009 at 9:33:00 AM

that you belive in nonsence
D.O.C. writes:
on January 26th, 2010 at 5:12:06 PM

wow you make no sense
D.O.C. writes:
on February 25th, 2010 at 3:40:04 PM

@tyrkae - You killed the whole conversation because you made know sense. Stop d*ck sucking.

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